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Title: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: David on June 23, 2020, 09:48:08 AM
Looking to replace the 12tb NAS raid that was recently hosed due to a power outage.
It was a WD My Cloud Mirror NAS with 2 6tb drives as a Raid 1 and of course all the data is gone, both drives are fried and nothing will either recognize them or reformat them.

Are there any better choices than WD?

Share please...

thanks!
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on June 23, 2020, 10:25:08 AM
I have 3 Netgear Ready NAS Pro's and haven't had any issues with them. I have learned with other Netgear products that their tech support sucks.

Also have heard great things about Synology NAS units but have never had one.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: David on June 23, 2020, 10:38:49 AM
I've been looking at Asustor and Synology.
Just need a little 2 bay, don't need a lot of horsepower, it's just for job archives.

Here's one I found so far:
Asustor (https://www.newegg.com/asustor-as1002t-v2/p/N82E16822225058?Item=N82E16822225058)

also:
Synology (https://www.amazon.com/Synology-bay-DiskStation-DS218j-Diskless/dp/B076G6YKWZ)
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on June 23, 2020, 10:48:38 AM
Never used one but it looks decent. 3 year warranty is nice too.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: David on June 23, 2020, 10:54:02 AM
yeah, the WD Nas that went belly up had a 3 year... guess when it expired...
this month


:banana:
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on June 23, 2020, 10:57:35 AM
Perfect timing. Look up. Is there a dark cloud following you?
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: David on June 23, 2020, 11:31:09 AM
currently....   yes




:facepalm:
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Slappy on June 23, 2020, 05:33:49 PM
I just did a Synology 220 (https://www.b4print.com/index.php?topic=9940.0) for work - so far so good. Setup was a snap, and does a TON of things I'll never use for work like streaming and on & on.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: David on June 24, 2020, 08:17:27 AM
Hey Slappy, thanks for the input, that's the exact model I was looking at. I have a printout here at work I was using for comparison.

Curious, if you don't mind, why did you go with the Seagate Ironhorse drives?
Myself, I am losing confidence in the WD drives and enclosures, we have several around here that have died over the last few years. Seems as soon as the warranty expires, the drives go belly up.

I'm looking at getting 2 6tb drives at a minimum.


TIA
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Slappy on June 24, 2020, 10:36:19 AM
Quote from: david on June 24, 2020, 08:17:27 AM
Hey Slappy, thanks for the input, that's the exact model I was looking at. I have a printout here at work I was using for comparison.

Curious, if you don't mind, why did you go with the Seagate Ironhorse drives?
Decent reviews, 3-year Warranty mostly. It's an archive server so I didn't see the need to go with ludicrous speed drives like 10,0000 RPM platters or SSDs.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: DigiCorn on June 24, 2020, 04:30:22 PM
Western Digital admits 2TB-6TB WD Red NAS drives use shingled magnetic recording (https://blocksandfiles.com/2020/04/14/wd-red-nas-drives-shingled-magnetic-recording/#:~:text=Some%20users%20are%20experiencing%20problems,drives%20submarined%20into%20the%20channel.&text=People%20are%20getting%20pretty%20peeved,performance%20for%20random%20write%20usage.%E2%80%9D)
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: scottrsimons on June 25, 2020, 06:16:56 AM
Digicorn thanks for the link, it was a good read. Reminds me of the old saying "You get what you pay for." When I'm looking for storage drives to mission critical applications like NAS, I will not go for the cheapest. I always think that there is a reason it is so cheap. In this case, it seems to be true. Although it sucks that even HP wouldn't commit to saying how the drives actually work, until there were enough issues out there in the "wild".
Just can't trust anyone now-a-days.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: David on June 25, 2020, 07:18:50 AM
I ended up getting the Synolgy 220j 2 bay and 2 6tb WD Red drives that are CMR.

We'll find out.

Thanks for all the input!


:banana:
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: DigiCorn on June 25, 2020, 04:00:20 PM
I have the Netgear ReadyNAS 214 for personal use. It's a 4-bay unit, and I *think* it can handle 4 12tb drives for a total of 48 tb IF you don't run a RAID. I was gonna say RAID array, but that's redundant.

I wiped out my home workstation because after adding the new video card and all that RAM, the Windows 2004 update came along and made it run like shit. It boots literally MINUTES faster (it used to take like 4-5 minutes to load all the shit I had on there - now it boots in like 30 seconds), but I found that actively having Plex or PlayON running still makes it run like shit, so I wiped Plex and run it exclusively from the NAS only now. On bootup, it needed to launch Plex, Steam, CC, GOG Galaxy, Epic, UPlay, Malwarebytes, TomTom, iCloud, XBox, Chrome, AMD Catalyst, iTunes, etc. but doing the wipe cleaned all that crap out.

The NAS uses 2 rescued drives (2tb each) from my old Pogoplug Buffalo Cloudstor, and 2 new 2tb drives formatted in a RAID-5 configuration which oddly works out to about 5.5 tb of storage. Supidly, the 2 rescued drives are 5400, and the 2 new drives are 10600, so I need to swap them out at some point, plus, I think one of them legitimately has issues (it listed as failing on the Cloudstor, but reformatted correctly on the ReadyNAS).
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: scottrsimons on July 08, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
Talking about Synology NAS, I just found out about a small little issue that didn't come up until we've had an unit for a year or two. If you are using 'Recycle Bin' for your shares, you should also setup a 'Task Scheduler' event to empty that recycle bin. Otherwise you will find out that the 'recycle bin' will take up a whole lot of space. We have a 70TB NAS that was down to only 4TB free. I found the spot to empty the recycle bin on the shares and to also make it a task. And now we have 18TB free.
Looks like it's time to start looking to add on to our NAS again.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on July 08, 2020, 02:03:52 PM
Quote from: scottrsimons on July 08, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
Talking about Synology NAS, I just found out about a small little issue that didn't come up until we've had an unit for a year or two. If you are using 'Recycle Bin' for your shares, you should also setup a 'Task Scheduler' event to empty that recycle bin. Otherwise you will find out that the 'recycle bin' will take up a whole lot of space. We have a 70TB NAS that was down to only 4TB free. I found the spot to empty the recycle bin on the shares and to also make it a task. And now we have 18TB free.
Looks like it's time to start looking to add on to our NAS again.  :banghead:

What? But that is where everyone stores their really, Really, REALLY important files!!!!!!!!!11
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: David on July 08, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
yes, I saw the recycle bin and didn't really think about it. I didn't think I turned it on, but it had a folder there anyway. I just went in and checked again, it was there but not enabled, so I was able to delete it.

so far, it's quiet as a mouse and has been quite speedy at adding and restoring files.


fingers crossed

:banana:
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: DigiCorn on July 30, 2020, 10:47:33 AM
Does anybody know if you can hotswap a functioning drive in a NAS? The support says you can hotswap a degraded or non-functioning drive in the XRAID, but says nothing about a functioning drive...

[edit] I think I found the answer... https://kb.netgear.com/21415/How-do-I-expand-an-existing-X-RAID-volume-with-larger-disks

https://kb.netgear.com/23133/How-can-I-expand-the-storage-capacity-of-an-existing-volume-on-my-ReadyNAS-OS-6-storage-system

I am removing the 2 5400rpm 2tb drives with new 7200rpm 8tb drives. The 5400s haven't failed yet, but on occasion they make whining and groaning noises, so I am certain one, if not both, will soon fail. I had an opportunity to upgrade, so I am.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on July 30, 2020, 11:01:38 AM
I believe you can. It just has to rebuild the data for it like swapping a new drive for non-functioning drive. I have to ask though why you want to do this though?
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: DigiCorn on July 30, 2020, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: Joe on July 30, 2020, 11:01:38 AM
I believe you can. It just has to rebuild the data for it like swapping a new drive for non-functioning drive. I have to ask though why you want to do this though?
I edited my post above...

QuoteI am removing the 2 5400rpm 2tb drives with new 7200rpm 8tb drives. The 5400s haven't failed yet, but on occasion they make whining and groaning noises, so I am certain one, if not both, will soon fail. I had an opportunity to upgrade, so I am.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on July 30, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
OK. I was wondering if you were maybe adding larger drives. If you do that you won't see the extra space as it always makes the new one the same size as the other drives in the RAID. Just do one drive at a time though. Let it finish rebuilding. Then do the other one.

The only way to get the extra space is to backup everything. Power the unit down. Install all new drives. Create the new array. Restore the backup data.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: DigiCorn on July 30, 2020, 11:11:11 AM
Just swapped one of the drives for now. Looks like it's doing what it's supposed to be doing. At 0.14% of rebuilding after a couple of minutes. This might take a while...

[edit] Logged into the Netgear software.... it says 7hr 49min
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on July 30, 2020, 11:12:29 AM
OK I see in your link Netgear says you can do this one disk at a time and it will expand the X-RAID after a re-boot. I've never tried it before. Good luck.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on July 30, 2020, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: DigiCorn on July 30, 2020, 11:11:11 AM
Just swapped one of the drives for now. Looks like it's doing what it's supposed to be doing. At 0.14% of rebuilding after a couple of minutes. This might take a while...

[edit] Logged into the Netgear software.... it says 7hr 49min

Yeah it is not a fast operation though I've seen the start time be longer than the actual time it takes.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: DigiCorn on July 30, 2020, 12:24:38 PM
It appears to have gained some speed and leveled out. Only a little over 5 hrs to go... and it's at 17.35%. In addition to upgrading the storage capacity, I should be gaining some speed as well going from 5400 to 7200.

In other news, you can still buy a 2gb Jaz from amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Iomega-10600-Formatted-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B00004Y2PP
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: David on July 30, 2020, 12:28:48 PM
I still have an internal Jazz drive in my Blue G3 Mac....

:banana: :banana:
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: scottrsimons on July 31, 2020, 05:56:14 AM
Quote from: Joe on July 30, 2020, 11:12:29 AM
OK I see in your link Netgear says you can do this one disk at a time and it will expand the X-RAID after a re-boot. I've never tried it before. Good luck.
Synology NAS will expand the RAID without needing the reboot. Replace the drive and let the RAID rebuild, and it will then show it being expanded. Very nice.
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: DigiCorn on July 31, 2020, 09:14:56 AM
well that worked well  :sarcasm:.... it got to 99.40% after 6-7 hours and then took another 2+ hours to finish up... then it started flashing "DEAD" on the screen. The website said to refresh and reboot, so I did and it now shows as all 4 drives corrupted. Going to put the original drive back in this a.m. and see what happens.  :strangle:
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: Joe on July 31, 2020, 09:20:27 AM
Man it's a good thing you did a current backup before starting that...
Title: Re: Need a Replacement NAS
Post by: DigiCorn on July 31, 2020, 09:35:05 AM
No. I didn't do a backup. But I also didn't care. It was only hosting a couple of hundred movies, and a backup of my other NAS. I can rewrite them all again, but this time with subtitles and director commentary, etc. Putting the old disk back in didn't change anything. It's a few weeks worth of work to rewrite all those flicks, but what else am I really doing now? And from a tech standpoint, reformatting and recreating the XRAID from scratch is really a more proper way to do it.