Hey all,
I'm posting this for my team, who use these guys to setup all our packaging:
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Oec-Graphics,-Inc/jobs (https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Oec-Graphics,-Inc/jobs)
If you have experience (not a blood sausage), location works for you and you're looking - take a shot by applying to see what happens.
While I haven't worked for this specific group, I can vouch for the guy looking to hire the people and will say he is "one of us" when it comes to printers and all the insane-nerd crap that we know, that keeps us employed in this business.
I worked for 4 years at a competitor company in the same position ... it's nice to NOT stink of fixer, replenisher or MRC anymore ... though it's still in my blood! :cane:
Hey, you don't ever get the stink off. I know.
That stink does fade away ... only lives on now in my attitude!
(That's why I posted the job/s ... they need someone with all-round experience and a wrathful attitude towards QC work!)
What's a blood sausage?
Yeah, some times I forget not everyone has been snooping on this site forever - this is 10+ years old and gives a good "idea":
https://www.b4print.com/index.php?topic=3318.0
There is a point-by point explanation on here somewhere put the term in this sites SEARCH box and it gets pages of hits ... if you find the detailed one let me know!
ha ha, fun to reread old threads.
The guy that took my place when I quit for a minute :laugh: He refused to help in the bindery when asked.
that was all it took for my boss, he rarely asks for help from prepress, I actually like helping, gets me away from the computer.
I would think this is 1 quality of a sausage
I actually worked with a girl who thought she was being punished when asked to help in the back for a bit. It was too hot, awwww. Talk about a sausage!
Helping in other departments (when needed) is how I have gained all the knowledge I have at this point. Good or bad. All in all, I truly believe it makes me a better Prepress person. At a party not long ago, I was talking with a prepress person from another shop who was about my age, and was surprised at all the knowledge they didn't have. But he does work for a "corp" shop (where it seems that you have a job to do and that's it) and I have always worked for small shops (where you have a job but also everybody else's job as well).
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on November 08, 2021, 09:32:08 AM
What's a blood sausage?
Official definition:
"A blood sausage is a sausage filled with blood that is cooked or dried and mixed with a filler until it is thick enough to solidify when cooled. Pig, cow, horse, donkey, sheep, chicken, duck, and goat blood can be used, varying by country."
(YO GOTTA GET ME SOME OF THEM!)
GIMMEE 2 OF THE DONKEY FLAVOR!
Blood Sausage
A stubbornly inept and incompetent person; particularly a coworker who continually does tasks the wrong way, despite having been shown the correct way numerous times. Generally sloth-like in behavior and appearance, yet perks up willfully when prompted by the presence of those in charge.
"I have several guys I work with that are just lazy blood sausages that do absolutely nothing. To boot, they bitch when they have to work. I have actually witnessed people purposely sabotaging jobs to get out of working them. So I stopped complaining about my 'blood sausage' co-worker's lack of abilities, as I realize it's going to keep me needed around here..."
I came up into printing in a union shop. If you tried to go do another job classification you were likely to end up swimming with the fishes wearing concrete boots.
(https://e7.pngegg.com/pngimages/273/589/png-clipart-smiley-emoticon-comics-mafia-like-a-boss-miscellaneous-comics.png)
Yet somehow these sausages manage to keep their jobs by steering their lack of production and blame onto other workers. It's the one thing they do well and with enthusiasm.
My experience was the opposite. I did shipping / receiving, deliveries, bindery... THEN prepress from the bottom (filing, contacting, camera helper, color keys and bluelines)
I think it gave me a much better understanding of what it takes to make product as good as it could or should be.
There's other prepressers that really don't even understand things like binding styles or sig IDs by contrast. They may even know what to do mostly but don't truly understand it so if a wrench gets thrown in they are helpless.
I much prefer production background to a rebaked designer or Kinkos type person.
I worked union too, yep you can't do anybody's work, you can't start 1 minute before shift
and so many workers you wanted to do someone else's work :laugh:
(lots of standing around)
Quote from: Tracy on November 09, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
I worked union too, yep you can't do anybody's work, you can't start 1 minute before shift
and so many workers you wanted to do someone else's work :laugh:
(lots of standing around)
And especially don't try doing another's job on overtime. They would kill you multiple times for that.
Quote from: born2print on November 09, 2021, 12:50:48 PM
My experience was the opposite. I did shipping / receiving, deliveries, bindery... THEN prepress from the bottom (filing, contacting, camera helper, color keys and bluelines)
I think it gave me a much better understanding of what it takes to make product as good as it could or should be.
There's other prepressers that really don't even understand things like binding styles or sig IDs by contrast. They may even know what to do mostly but don't truly understand it so if a wrench gets thrown in they are helpless.
I much prefer production background to a rebaked designer or Kinkos type person.
You perfectly defined a lot of prepress people that only want to be shown how to do specific things instead of learning why you have to do those things.
:cane:
If I remember correctly, there's a "trick" to the blood sausage in the cooking ... if you don't slow cook them, they "look" and smell great, but when you cut into it ... it's straight up raw, and the blood will run and ruin your whole plate!
Much like some employees, they look/act right but the moment the pressure is applied ... that person you're excited to work with, goes to CRAP and your dreams are ruined.
Those EXTRA skills in printing are key to our survival ... I have a few years under my belt now, helping customer-graphics teams, work through a heap of corporate "ideal plans", as they don't have production experience or knowledge in die-cutting ... I gained most of that experience at times when prepress wasn't busy.
The more understanding you have as to the rest of the processes, the better you can do your job and help the job get finished on schedule. You probably won't ever get credit for that, but if you can make the job easier for the next person in the process, it goes a long way toward making a more pleasant workplace.
the deal about knowing the processs, is that your main job is to make the next persons job easier.
sadly, that only works from prepress down, if it only started at the dezinger.
:hangme:
Not sure if it's true wherever in the world you might be based, but here in the UK, most of the 'Blood Sausage' types I have every worked with have all tended to end up as department managers!
:laugh:
Quote from: David on November 09, 2021, 04:31:25 PM
the deal about knowing the processs, is that your main job is to make the next persons job easier.
sadly, that only works from prepress down, if it only started at the dezinger.
:hangme:
Hey hey now.....starts at this designer. I have a BAS in multimedia where they taught you how to do everything wrong (so I kind of understand where they get it from), then started a job in a bindery, moved onto prepress, learned how to run the presses, got into digital, and THEN started freelance designing. There are NO issues with my files. :rotf:
Quote from: Skryber on November 10, 2021, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: David on November 09, 2021, 04:31:25 PM
the deal about knowing the processs, is that your main job is to make the next persons job easier.
sadly, that only works from prepress down, if it only started at the dezinger.
:hangme:
Hey hey now.....starts at this designer. I have a BAS in multimedia where they taught you how to do everything wrong (so I kind of understand where they get it from), then started a job in a bindery, moved onto prepress, learned how to run the presses, got into digital, and THEN started freelance designing. There are NO issues with my files. :rotf:
You are the exception to the rule. The designers of the world would be a lot better at their job if they had to do 3 months of
hard time prepress before they would be allowed to touch a design application.
Quote from: David on November 09, 2021, 04:31:25 PM
the deal about knowing the processs, is that your main job is to make the next persons job easier.
sadly, that only works from prepress down, if it only started at the dezinger.
:hangme:
I used the be the designer (although I spent most of my time fixing other people's crap). I always tried to make the next guy's job easier, especially with screen printing. It just made sense to me and kept my coworkers from hating me too much. Self preservation goes a long way.
Just a reminder over the original intention of this post ... if you have solid prepress skills and am "on the fence" about your future, figure out a price (then add padding), apply and PLEASE HELP ME!
My day today ... :shoots_self: :hangme: :death: :banghead: :shoots_self: :shoots_self: :shoots_self:
:facepalm:
Quote from: Foozball on November 11, 2021, 03:07:20 PM
Just a reminder over the original intention of this post ... if you have solid prepress skills and am "on the fence" about your future, figure out a price (then add padding), apply and PLEASE HELP ME!
My day today ... :shoots_self: :hangme: :death: :banghead: :shoots_self: :shoots_self: :shoots_self:
:facepalm:
My day everyday ... :shoots_self: :hangme: :death: :banghead: :shoots_self: :shoots_self: :shoots_self:
:facepalm: