Canon imagePRESS C7010VP vs. Others

[rcarelli]

let me know if you decide to sell your HP5000

[Slappy]

we just ordered a Ricoh C901, it's not here yet.

What's your ETA? I'd be very interested to hear about setup, calibrations, etc. I think my Boss might be going to look at the Ricoh this week, maybe I'll tag along. He said last week that a Heidelberg guy called him directly to "talk up" the Ricoh but he didn't understand why. I clued him in to the "partnership" but unless the hardware is substantially better or at least comparable to the Canon, no amount of fantastic back-end will sway my opinion.

[t-pat]

we just ordered a Ricoh C901, it's not here yet.

What's your ETA? I'd be very interested to hear about setup, calibrations, etc. I think my Boss might be going to look at the Ricoh this week, maybe I'll tag along. He said last week that a Heidelberg guy called him directly to "talk up" the Ricoh but he didn't understand why. I clued him in to the "partnership" but unless the hardware is substantially better or at least comparable to the Canon, no amount of fantastic back-end will sway my opinion.

ETA is there's tape on the floor where it goes, so "soon" - they signed the papers. I won't know anything about calibration or operation and the operator is a grumpy old biker who thinks I'm a POS (and everyone else who is not a "pressman") so he won't be sharing. I'll get to learn only what I need to prep VDP stuff for it.

[Slappy]

Heh, I hear ya. I'd be interested to hear about the training since I'm That Guy too and I've seen nothing about how Canon does any of it yet. Hell, I never did establish what we'd even be using for VDP production.

I think the Ricoh is completely out of the running at this point, for whatever reason.

[Slappy]

It appears the Powers the Be inked a deal with Canon this week, so we'll be sportin' that 7010VP by mid-October!

Now, to carve out a space for it...  :shocked:

[t-pat]

...Now, to carve out a space for it...  :shocked:

Our Ricoh got here yesterday, we've squeezed it in and it's running. Well, people are being trained on it at least. It's the Graphic Arts edition!! Whatever that means, lol.

[frailer]

the operator is a grumpy old biker

 I thought DPs would be run from the prepress benches, pretty much.  Getting a GOB to run a new digital press sounds like an oil/water mix.    :undecided:

[t-pat]

the operator is a grumpy old biker

 I thought DPs would be run from the prepress benches, pretty much.  Getting a GOB to run a new digital press sounds like an oil/water mix.    :undecided:

No way I have time to do what I do prepping lost cat flyers and fully variable jobs for Big 3 automakers, AND throw paper.

[t-pat]

oh and he's already running the 2 x700's and the OCE varioprint Ultra, so what's one more?

[David]

aw hell, that's easy....

I can do that with both hands tied behind your back...

down hill, with the wind

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[frailer]

oh and he's already running the 2 x700's and the OCE varioprint Ultra, so what's one more?

   Fair enough. Maybe I'll change my tune when we get one.

[t-pat]

oh and he's already running the 2 x700's and the OCE varioprint Ultra, so what's one more?

   Fair enough. Maybe I'll change my tune when we get one.

He was a prepress operator when we had *one*. Once they got another one he went out to that room full time and I was hired in prep.

[Slappy]

Sounds like - fun. Our Indigo Op is already bitching that he won't be able to run both machines & do trimming, folding, packaging & shipping all by himself. And in all honesty, I agree with him. They keep hiring for bindery bodies for the offset work work but we can't get any help getting our shit out the door, which is usually on a much tighter schedule that conventional anyway.

Whatever the case, It'll be interesting no doubt. I'll be sure to document the install as if moves forward.

[t-pat]

FWIW our current digital workflow is this:

Prepres preps all files (litho, digital, and hybrid litho/digital) and makes final pdfs for the operator to output. (2 full time operators plus one full time designer that can do most file prep as well)

1 digital press operator running 2 x700s, 1 OCE varioprint, and 1 Ricoh whatever-it-is-called. He takes final pdfs and outputs to devices. Basic imposition done on rips for devices for static jobs, otherwise imposed by XMPie or Preps.

Stuff goes to bindery from there.

[Slappy]

You get yours install yet? Ours just arrived today, still in the shrink wrap so Monday/Tuesday they'll get us up & running I suppose. I still have no new Macs though, and no software to get VDP jobs over to this machine. Guess we'll scramble & cross that bridge when we come to it eh?