Customer sent me PDF files. 2 page center spread was sent as 2 single page PDF's instead of as a spread. Type runs across the fold. No problem, I get it all of the time. I just place the 2 PDF's into InDesign, match them up mathematically and booya, a spread with a perfect crossover in the middle...
Here is the high res preview showing the letters in InDesign. See, perfect match. The 2nd image is the resulting PDF that I export from ID CS3. No longer matches.
Do the same thing is ID CS2 and they match up perfectly.
WTF?
I'm sorry Joe, weren't you and I just bitching about the very same company not even an hour ago, or is this the demerol talking? :huh:
I believe so. Pass the demerol please.
Quote from: Joe on July 17, 2008, 06:07:23 PMI believe so. Pass the demerol please.
I really don't think it's gonna be strong enough... better wash that down with some Adrenochrome!
Difference in type engine I think.
Quote from: mattbeals on July 17, 2008, 11:08:05 PMDifference in type engine I think.
It's two PDF's joined together Matt. No way it's cool that one or both of them are shifting when exporting a new PDF.
Don't worry, just drop it in an APPE RIP and all will be good again... :naughty:
Just one more thing to worry about when you are forced to use CS3 I guess. CS3 ruined my whole PDF workflow with RAMPage as it no longer keeps OPI comments for placed PDF fpo's, in exported PDF files.
And not only that, the last "upgrade" of Indy CS3 broke the workaround I was using by changing the way
OPI works with EPS FPO's as well. Took just about half a day to find yet another workaround for that one.
Quote from: almaink on July 18, 2008, 06:47:42 AMJust one more thing to worry about when you are forced to use CS3 I guess. CS3 ruined my whole PDF workflow with RAMPage as it no longer keeps OPI comments for placed PDF fpo's, in exported PDF files.
And not only that, the last "upgrade" of Indy CS3 broke the workaround I was using by changing the way
OPI works with EPS FPO's as well. Took just about half a day to find yet another workaround for that one.
Sometimes it seems like my whole job is just one big giant workaround. :huh:
-Rat
ohh amen to that
my pdf compliant rip keeps screwing up some spot colour on top of a psd file - grrrrr - working on smashing the whole damm thing - then i'll HAVE to buy another one......
Just Photoshop it.
Hi Joe
I have tried many ways to make that happen and can't. must just be preview does type look ok at rip?
what acrobat do you use?
Quote from: tiger lil on July 18, 2008, 10:04:39 AMHi Joe
I have tried many ways to make that happen and can't. must just be preview does type look ok at rip?
what acrobat do you use?
I thought that might be the case too so I sent it through the RIP. Looks the same as the preview where the image is shifted. Not good.
BTW...
OS 10.5.4 Leopard
PPC
Looks the same in Acrobat 7, 8, & 9.
The original pages were done in ID CS3, exported to PDF directly from InDesign. I do not have access to the native ID files.
I put the pages together in ID CS3, lined them up mathematically and they look fine with high res preview turned on in ID CS3.
Repeat the exact steps of putting the PDF together in ID CS2 and it looks and RIPS fine in the resulting PDF.
Joe I ran into this same problem on a job a few weeks ago and solved it pretty much the same way you did. Calculate how far off the image is then add to the measurement for the page. I'm just glad we caught it before it got to plates. :smiley:
Joe are the coordinates the same in both versions of Indy? Also check with the direct select tool to see if one of that pages might have moved. I've had PDF's move on their own in Indy CS3 if they were placed into a graphic box and not placed with their own bounding box.
Quote from: almaink on July 18, 2008, 11:08:39 AMJoe are the coordinates the same in both versions of Indy? Also check with the direct select tool to see if one of that pages might have moved. I've had PDF's move on their own in Indy CS3 if they were placed into a graphic box and not placed with their own bounding box.
Yes, coordinates the same in both and both were placed with their own box. Posted it at PP so Dov can tell me I'm just imagining things. :azn:
you probably didn't follow all the proper Adobe rules...
you being a prepress guy an all...
one of these days you'll learn...
now, get back to work!
Quote from: david on July 18, 2008, 02:10:43 PMyou probably didn't follow all the proper Adobe rules...
you being a prepress guy an all...
one of these days you'll learn...
now, get back to work!
I am bad about that! :laugh:
Is there a .tif anywhere in relation to the type involved ...
or is it just type everywhere?
MSD
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Customer sent me PDF files. 2 page center spread was sent as 2 single page PDF's instead of as a spread. Type runs across the fold. No problem, I get it all of the time. I just place the 2 PDF's into InDesign, match them up mathematically and booya, a spread with a perfect crossover in the middle...
Here is the high res preview showing the letters in InDesign. See, perfect match. The 2nd image is the resulting PDF that I export from ID CS3. No longer matches.
Do the same thing is ID CS2 and they match up perfectly.
WTF?
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Quote from: WharfRat on July 18, 2008, 07:40:49 PMIs there a .tif anywhere in relation to the type involved ...
or is it just type everywhere?
MSD
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It's two PDF files. The PDF's do have images in them but I don't know what the format of the original images are. The text that does not cross is the text inside the 2 PDF's
Is there a .tif anywhere in relation to the type involved ...
or is it just type everywhere?
MSD
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It's two PDF files. The PDF's do have images in them but I don't know what the format of the original images are. The text that does not cross is the text inside the 2 PDF's
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There is a known issue with things moving when a .tif is involved
and a PDF is "exported" from InDy.
(As I recall - it is with the .tif shifting
but ... I would need to go through my White Papers to be certain.)
Does it happen with PostScript and Distiller? (The mentioned issue does not)
Can you post this somewhere?
MSD
The only thing that is going across the fold is text. No images of any kind.
I've tried a few more things. I tried it on a different Mac. An Intel Mac running OS 10.4.11 with InDesign CS3. It does the same thing with the text from the left half not linking up with the text on the right half. It's off in the same direction and the same distance.
If I print a PDF via the Adobe PDF printer or print a postscript file and distill the text comes out lined up just fine. It's only direct export from ID CS3.
I'll PM you a link to the PDF with the two single pages I'm trying to make a spread out of.
That sounds right. Distiller bypasses the issue.
I will try processing the PDFs on Monday.
MSD
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The only thing that is going across the fold is text. No images of any kind.
I've tried a few more things. I tried it on a different Mac. An Intel Mac running OS 10.4.11 with InDesign CS3. It does the same thing with the text from the left half not linking up with the text on the right half. It's off in the same direction and the same distance.
If I print a PDF via the Adobe PDF printer or print a postscript file and distill the text comes out lined up just fine. It's only direct export from ID CS3.
I'll PM you a link to the PDF with the two single pages I'm trying to make a spread out of.
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No matter WTF Dov says, Adobe has changed the way PDF export works in CS3. This is just one more example. I still haven't heard back from him about my OPI issue if I export from Indy CS3. Hope you have better luck Joe.
Not holding my breath there Alma.