Well thank you all!

I wasn't asked to pay for the mistake.

i was asking just in case.

I rarely do such mistakes,and the person who did the die cutting without paying much attention to the proof provided is the owner-who happens to owe me a lot more than the mistake cost in real money and not just metaphorically speaking-

I took full responsibility cause i check die cuts-and everything else- but on a 19 inch monitor,since we are saving on ink and plotter paper...-

This job gets reprinted every time we take it-due to printing errors and this was the first time it was printed well on the first place.  :angry:

What matters most to me is this is that he told us that late or no payments are because of such mistakes,and that two co workers will be printing tomorrow knowing that they won't get paid for it...  :angry:  :angry: :angry:

Now,if i'm asked to pay for it i won't.

It's not about i'm not getting bonuses for the errors i catch or the estimates i beat,that's my job.

It's that tomorrow i might do a really big mistake,what should a do then,sell my kids to pay for it?

I really don't know if the thread title really is relative enough,so any admin is welcome to change it with something more descriptive.

We printed a job with a pocket on the inside of the book's cover.

We print this think every know and then with minor copy changes-same sizes papers etc-,but the last one had a slight -but significant-difference on the cover's die cut which i didn't notice.

Unfortunately it wasn't seen by the person who performed the die cut operation-how's that in plain english?- even though i provided a proof,so we are reprinting it right now.

I rarely make mistakes,took all the blame by myself-which is right,for i'm responcible for checking the die cuts as well.

I wanted to ask a couple of thinks.

If you were ever charged for a prepress mistake,i mean if you actually paid the bill.

If there is a legal notice on that.

And finally no matter what the ''law'' says on that-that an employee should pay or not- i'd like to hear your opinions.

Hope i made my questions clear enough,not a native speaker as you might guessed.

If not tell what and i'll try to rephrase.

Thanks in advance!

ps Only asking for informative reasons since US laws and work ethics don't apply to Greece!

 

Quote from: delooch on September 24, 2013, 11:45:27 AMid consider that some employers would prefer to see a stable work history. Not that i have one, but there was a period where i cycled jobs for a few years until i could find one that i could tolerate. Those i leave off.  NO ONE is going to remember who did what 10-15 years ago, so i fudge the dates to cover the gaps.

I'll agree,but if you're searching for work in your hometown,and already changed 3/4 shops,most probably you will run into conversations about old acquaintances and numbers just won't fit!

On the other hand,i don't think many employers will remember what your cv said after they hire you...

Sorry to hear this,i wish you best of luck on whatever you decide to do.

I've given a lot of thought on this,for i 'll soon probably be in the same position with you.

First scenario is to work as a freelancer,offering all kind of services-photography,design,sign making,printing and site constructing/maintaining-thats why i was asking-.
Do what i can on my own,''outsource'' the rest.

I see a lot of people offering such services without basic knowledge of basic things,so i think i could make a living of some short.

Second scenario-more difficult- would be to provide a kind of support/training to surviving small shops who can't afford ''official'' suport.

Thinks i'd like to do and believe that are '' recession proof'' but for various reasons for each one are hard for me to get into are:

Food trade.

Servicing/maintaining medical equipment.

Anything to do with specific agricultural production-special herbs etc-.

ps I never feel nostalgic about the ''good old days'' -drum scanners,stripping and stuff-,i'd really like a change,but i'd feel-and i'm already feelin- sorry for all that reading and experience to be thrown away just like that...

Thanks for both links 'n answers!

After having a look on those sites,and having ''made'' a site on wix,i think that a trucker career is much more possible.

Not just for me but for experienced designers and developers as well,with so many templates and wysiwyg tools,they'll become obsolete sooner than us...

-so i'd better start hanging out on web designers forums to find out where they 're heading... :tongue: -

Quote from: Joe on September 19, 2013, 02:40:24 PMI would start here:

http://www.htmldog.com

I'm not a coder or a designer by any means but I do edit a few .html, .css, and .php files and occasionally a MySQL database. I like to start with software like either Joomla for complex sites or Wordpress for more basic sites. Both are free and to get started you can use one of the free web hosting sites to install into and get your feet wet. But as gnub says there is lots more to do than just installing but most of it requires little or no coding and a little design.

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No, you only have to do the verification for the first 5 or 10 posts. I forget which but it isn't many. The Adobe Page Layout app it asks about is InDesign.

Thanks  Joe!

-just kidding about the second question,i 'll check the htmldog(!!!) site tommorow!-

Thanks all for answering!  :smiley:

Quote from: born2print on September 19, 2013, 02:38:49 PMIt is between 11:40 and 4:40 depending which part of US
Adobe Indesign

lol,it won't accept pagemaker-neither are we come to think of it-

Quote from: gnubler on September 19, 2013, 01:59:29 PMYou sound older, and you probably won't like it.

More than sincerity,i like quick answers-what time is it in the states btw?-

I'm only forty,i consider myself a quick learner-who doesn't  :-P - but i'm really not like 24/7 on the net-got four kids a bicycle and a trashed bike to take care of -

Then since prepress-as we know it- will soon be as necessary as ''letterpress''-they rime too-,i think i can lower my expectations...

ps do you need verification for every post?

ps2  What is the name of Adobe's Page Layout application?

Funny how after 15 years on the trade,my first question on a prepress forum is not about print...

So after trying to get into packaging-without much success-,while watching the printshop i work for declining day by day,I decided i should give it a try with ''the web''.

I see-mostly read about to be honest- a lot of former prepress operators moving on that way-even here there is a section about web design/development.

Problem is i wouldn't know how or where to start.


I'm not a designer.

I can design a leaflet,or a poster,i can even draw-pencil or wacom- but this is not my job.


I don't code.

I troubleshoot software and hardware problems on the shop,but i'm not a programmer.

Plus there isn't any web related activity where i work- except from fb but i don't have an account  :azn:


So,if you're kind enough,how did you get there?
-from prepress to ''the web''-

Where a prepress employee could be good at a web oriented business?
Design ? Development ?Cleaning the dust from the servers?

And why a company wouldn't hire a designer,or a developer on the first place and choose an ex-prepress operator?
   
Any answers given-even those not asked- will be held of great value,along with maybe where and what to start reading/practicing on...

Thanks in advance!