Hello,
I work in an all Mac prepress department and have been assigned the task of getting an additional Mac. We run Prinergy 4.0 as of this writing. That is supposed to change ( hopefully soon). I am currently working from a 2008 Mac Pro Intel tower ( 10.9.5 ) which handles almost everything I throw at it with little trouble. Since I can only find these Macs used and or re-furbished I was hoping for some help in making a wise choice for our new Mac.
I used to own (personally) a few iMacs and was not impressed by them, that was 10 years ago. I was curious if anyone here is running Creative Cloud 2014 / Quark 10 / and Prinergy on a current Mac or iMac. I am seeking guidance because the newest Mac looks like a black trashcan plus the cost is fairly high, and I was considering either a new iMac or a re-furbished Intel Mac Pro. The OS on my current Mac is Maverick, I am wondering if I should wait until Kodak releases a Yosemite friendly version of Prinergy ( April2015 I think ), before taking the plunge. I do not want to purchase again knowing how Apple like to evolve without any thought for the older machines, so that is also a considerable factor.
Any suggestions? Any warnings? Your help is sincerely appreciated.
Thanks!
SB
Those new Mac Pros have two expensive GPUs in them. Unless you're regularly using a program that can take advantage of the GPU processing power, you'd do better with your money to get a newer refurb Mac Pro of the old design. They should hold up well for at least a few more OS revisions. Plus you won't have to spend a lot of money on all the peripherals that you might need with a new Mac Pro, such as external hard drives, specialty cards, etc.
We use all 27" iMacs. Refurbished from Apple. We usually buy the i5 to save a few bucks. Kodak has already released Prinergy 6.1.1/Preps 7.1 that is Yosemite capable which I plan to install in the next week or two. I've been running Workshop (6.1 that is not Yosemite certified) on my Yosemite iMac for 6 months now. We also run Creative Cloud on them but kicked Quark to the curb long ago.
Stay away from the last version of iMac that has the DVD drive. They have heat issues. Not for everyone it seems but if you Google it you will see plenty of complaints about it. After I submitted my 4th AppleCare claim on mine at home Apple finally replaced it with the late 2013 iMac.
We have 2 27" iMacs in our prepress. They are great all in one machines. You just need to be content with the specs you get. The only thing that is user upgradeable is the RAM (only on the 27" models). My iMac is a maxed out 5K iMac. At the moment I would not recommend it for prepress use, not until Adobe updates their software to run well on this amazing display. I upgraded from a 15" Retina MacBook Pro, 2.6 i7 with 16 gigs of ram and a 1 gig GPU. The iMac that it replaced is a 4ghz i7, 24 gigs of RAM, AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 M and a 1 T flash drive. With indesign, it is only marginally faster, in most things, and some things it is actually slower. The older 27" iMac, none retina runs great with Adobe CC. I do have Quark 10, but I never run it. Who uses Quark anymore anyways??
Quote from: wonderings on March 18, 2015, 02:09:38 PMWho uses Quark anymore anyways??
The people that are still running Quadras.
We have all iMacs here too and two are running Creative Cloud 2014.
We still do about 50% of our work using Quark. Thankfully most of the work is still in Quark 9, I personally do not care for Quark 10 but that is another story.
Thanks for all the responses so far. I think I will push for an iMac instead of a Mac Pro ( the older one). The newer Mac Pro's are way too costly for my managers to swallow.
All iMacs here - not much point in getting a Mac Pro for prepress work.
Quote from: DCurry on March 19, 2015, 08:26:27 AMAll iMacs here - not much point in getting a Mac Pro for prepress work.
At least until Adobe allows us to print live video on paper.
Quote from: DCurry on March 19, 2015, 08:26:27 AMAll iMacs here - not much point in getting a Mac Pro for prepress work.
Indeed. Same here.
Shhhhhh...
I still have the boss convinced.
Actually I sold him on the upgradability rather than the power.
Don't overlook the MacMini line.
OK, I have 2 - 27" imacs the operation, but the remaining 20+ macs are mini's (and they do work for prepress)
I used to like the imac line, but after being burned by a few models with bad capacitors or powersupplied...I gave up on them. It's sad when you have a mac with a built-in display that becomes a doorstop when bad stuff happens. (also, apple now uses glues, welds, tapes, and voodoo to keep the new imacs about as UNFRIENDLY a computer to open up...fix...tinker...)
I like to be able to use/re-use monitors...and the minis just rock..
Minis are the only apple product I would consider buying for myself.
Mini's are fine too but after buying everything you need to go with them they are not terribly cheaper than an iMac. The only iMac I had a capacitor problem with were the old white G5's. Applecare really pays for itself though for the iMacs. One support call and you are money ahead by paying that $169 up front.
I bought applecare and was happy to pay for it and never have to use it.
Same goes with a good, manufacturer backed extended car warranty.
The BS ones Best Buy tries to sell you aren't worth it though.
Oh man, you're spot on. Those little zit-faced Best Buy monkeys try to push that shit too. Don't fall for it.
Thanks for the replies so far. I had not considered the Mac Mini's doubt if I would do that, as far as fixing it if it goes south well I just work here LOL. They are already getting more than they pay for outta me. It's been 6 years since I've gotten ANY increase in salary. So I just do what is needed. Boss wants a new computer fine by me. Someone else gets my current machine. I will get the new one.
Best Buy lost all my business years ago. Biggest rip off since Comp USA.
It looks like I will be getting an iMac 21" if one can be found. Want to check with Kodak first to see whats on the Prinergy / Workshop horizon.
Thanks again.
SB
The Mac Minis are ok, but you are limited. It maxes out at 16 gigs of ram and you can no longer upgrade that after purchase. Also, there is no option for a GPU, no upgrades at the time of purchase. For me personally the bare minimum is a 21" iMac. I like the 27" partly because of the screen size, but also because you can at least upgrade the ram and not limited to 16 gigs. Also the specs and GPU are better.
Side note, do we really need the verification after every reply? Taking me 5 tries to respond to a simple post. No need for Fort Knox security here.
I hadn't even thought about that setting since changing the forum software. It was set to 10 posts before not requiring the verification. I've changed it to 3 so you should be good to go now.
Quote from: Joe on March 20, 2015, 12:54:55 PMI hadn't even thought about that setting since changing the forum software. It was set to 10 posts before not requiring the verification. I've changed it to 3 so you should be good to go now.
Thanks. I thought it happened every single time you posted, not just till you reached a certain number of posts. I would not have said a thing if I had known that. I have never seen that function on other forums. Thanks though!
Thanks for the replies. I ended up with an iMac . Been upgrading since last Monday: Yosemite, Creative Cloud Quark 10. I am having some connectivity issues with the other Macs in my Department. Anyone else have this issue? Any solutions?
Bman
I strictly use SMB only and not AFP (so I can't comment on AFP) but haven't had any network issues with any other Macs running OS X 10.8, 10.9, or 10.10. Any OS older than that might have issues though. Some network weirdness with our Windows 2008 server too but that was solved by setting up a hosts file on the mac. That might help with any networking issues to both Mac or PC's.
Quote from: Bakerman on April 20, 2015, 07:52:56 AM... Been upgrading since last Monday: Yosemite, Creative Cloud Quark 10.
Bman
oh my, that just sounds nasty...
You may need a new vaccination for that, or at least a good antihistamine.
Quote from: david on April 20, 2015, 08:53:50 AMQuote from: Bakerman on April 20, 2015, 07:52:56 AM... Been upgrading since last Monday: Yosemite, Creative Cloud Quark 10.
Bman
oh my, that just sounds nasty...
You may need a new vaccination for that, or at least a good antihistamine.
Quark 10 is sooooo last year! Quark 2015 (http://quark.com/2015/) is right around the corner! :shoots_self:
Yes and when I upgraded I was told it's FREE until May 15th. I freaking HATE Quark.
Gah, I clicked on that link.
I feel so dirty.
Quote from: Farabomb on April 30, 2015, 10:16:28 AMGah, I clicked on that link.
I feel so dirty.
You expected what?
:rotf:
Sadly, that's the best thing that happened to me today.
Maybe someone will come along and kick you in the groin and your day will improve?
That already happened.
and my own dog did it. :sad:
When I told the boss a new macbook pro was $3500 he became a computer expert. "if we don't NEED it now we should wait for the next newest one." Umm, yea that never works. The newest Mac is still going to be $3500 and it's a crapshoot if the newest OSX will run on last week's hardware.
I'm almost considering getting a new PC laptop. I have both versions of pitstop so that would work and be a hell of a lot cheaper. I'm far from a apple fan but it works for prepress very well. When windows 10 shows up I may have to make the jump.
The problem of not having a Mac is if someone sends you a Mac InDesign file...yes you can open it in Indy on Windows but it is usually a fustercluck to make it right.
There are still cross platform issues? You'd think they would be at least close.
The one place I work with is PC only and he says he doesn't have any issues opening mac indy files. Then again he's the worlds best prepresser so he must have some magic.
Quote from: Farabomb on May 01, 2015, 10:24:53 AMThere are still cross platform issues? You'd think they would be at least close.
The one place I work with is PC only and he says he doesn't have any issues opening mac indy files. Then again he's the worlds best prepresser so he must have some magic.
It's mainly because designers are still using fonts from 1981 on their Macs in their creative masterpieces. It's pretty straight forward if a designer uses new cross-platform opentype fonts which I rarely see but even if the fonts aren't an issue it's not uncommon to see some reflow issues from one to the other. But hey, I sometimes have problems using designers Mac files on a Mac....but hey that's why we're here right?
True, last week I had natives with some 0kb fonts. Normal, known fonts. I used mine, massive reflow. Got the ones from the designer, and it didn't.
I remember the good old OS 9 days when fonts actually worked as expected. :cane:
Yea, if the designer sent the actual fonts and not just shortcuts for them.
Need help getting a new computer again.
I need it for Adobe DC, I will not be using it with
XMF at this time, the operating system is not compatible.
Looking for an iMac, not sure which one to get.
Thanks for any help!!
I would go with the 27". More screen real estate is never a bad thing.
People rave about the Retina 5K display but I'm not sure I'd spend the extra cash for it to use in prepress but if money is no object...why not?
As far as the CPU goes I'd go with at least the i5. If you can spend the extra cash for the i7 even better.
I would also get it with lowest amount of RAM and then replace it with RAM from OWC (https://www.macsales.com). I'd want 16 gb minimum. 32 gb if you can afford it.
Thanks Joe, that helps a lot!!
I guess it depends on how much screen real estate you need. Remember to get whatever RAM you think you'll need now and in the future. I think it's soldered in on all the models now. You can get up to 16 gigs in the smaller iMac, up to 32 in the larger.
Once you decide on which model you want, check out the Apple refurb store. You can get deals there, and they all have the same warranty and qualify for AppleCare just like the brand new ones.
Joe, don't they have the RAM soldered to the motherboards in the iMac now, or am I getting my models mixed up.
Is the current operating system Yosemite?
and all is good with DC?
So they say. Your results may vary.
Not sure, but check to see if they are shipping El Capitan now. They are offering the free update at the App store now.
Quote from: Possum on November 03, 2015, 01:30:51 PMJoe, don't they have the RAM soldered to the motherboards in the iMac now, or am I getting my models mixed up.
I think that is in their laptop line. At least my 2013 27" iMac doesn't have it soldered in.
Quote from: Tracy on November 03, 2015, 01:35:25 PMIs the current operating system Yosemite?
and all is good with DC?
If you buy a refurb it has whatever came with it new. If you buy a new one it will be OS X 10.11 (El Capitan).
Hey all,
Well the iMac is working very nicely. I have conquered all the connectivity issues and the workflow is splendid. Thanks to all for your contributions.
Next up is the determination of keeping Kodak Prinergy or ditching the whole Magnus / Prinergy and moving over to Heidelberg.
I should be moving to the sanatarium soon. :shoots_self:
Steve
Quote from: Joe on November 03, 2015, 02:26:20 PMQuote from: Tracy on November 03, 2015, 01:35:25 PMIs the current operating system Yosemite?
and all is good with DC?
If you buy a refurb it has whatever came with it new. If you buy a new one it will be OS X 10.11 (El Capitan).
El Capitan? Wasn't that a beer I drank in the Dominican Republic last year?
no sorry, it was more like "el presidente".
More or less.
anyone using El Capitan with Adobe DC?
I'm holding out for El Conquistador :hello:
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on November 04, 2015, 10:41:18 AMno sorry, it was more like "el presidente".
More or less.
There is nothing quite like the taste of a frosty cold quart bottle of El Presidente on the bus ride from Puerto Plata to the resort.
I hear ya,
Wonder if they have it in Cuba, we're going there on boxing day......... it's a 1.5 bus ride from the airport to Santa Maria island and they serve beer on the bus. :popcorn:
Could be a "wobbly" walk up to the reception desk. :popcorn: <------- oh, that's popcorn, thought it was beer.....no beer here? Oh well, this will have to do. --------> :drunk3: :drunk3:
Quote from: Tracy on November 04, 2015, 12:00:25 PManyone using El Capitan with Adobe DC?
Not me but there are people that are. And just to clarify....DC is the latest version of Acobat. Not Creative Cloud. That is CC 2015. BTW....Acrobat DC takes some getting used to.
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on November 04, 2015, 12:23:56 PMI hear ya,
Wonder if they have it in Cuba, we're going there on boxing day......... it's a 1.5 bus ride from the airport to Santa Maria island and they serve beer on the bus. :popcorn:
Could be a "wobbly" walk up to the reception desk. :popcorn: <------- oh, that's popcorn, thought it was beer.....no beer here? Oh well, this will have to do. --------> :drunk3: :drunk3:
No they don't have El Presidente in Cuba, but they do have Cristal, which is quite good as well. If you are landing in Veradero, there's usually a guy selling cold cans where you get on the buses to the resorts. I think he was selling for $2 CDN (yes Canuck bucks) per can so I usually get a 6 pack for the ride. That's about the only place you can spend your $CDN. After that the currency is Cuban CUC's that you can exchange for at the hotel.
Anybody know if we buy new 5k iMacs, and want Yosemitie on them, if they ship with El Capitan, is that doable?
Quote from: Joe on November 04, 2015, 12:29:37 PMQuote from: Tracy on November 04, 2015, 12:00:25 PManyone using El Capitan with Adobe DC?
Not me but there are people that are. And just to clarify....DC is the latest version of Acobat. Not Creative Cloud. That is CC 2015. BTW....Acrobat DC takes some getting used to.
whoa, I thought the latest Indesign needed an updated operating system
which is why I'm getting a new computer, am I misunderstanding?
I'm still getting the computer either way :laugh:
All of the latest software from Adobe will run on OS X 10.9, 10.10, and 10.11.
According to InDesign's system requirements for CC 2015, it works with 10.9, 10.10 or 10.11.
They've got the system requirements broken down for each app, so now you have to check each one.
I saw an article this morning that the 21.5 inch 4k retina iMacs have soldered RAM now. They're all going that way eventually, I fear. You don't need that 4k high-priced stuff anyway, do ya'?
Yep...
Quote*Note: Memory is not user-removable on iMac (21.5-inch, Late 2012), iMac (21.5-inch, Late 2013), and iMac (21.5-inch, Mid 2014) computers. Memory replacement for these computers must be done by an Apple Retail Store or Apple Authorized Service Provider.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201191
Thanks for all your help I understand a little better.
sorry if I'm annoying, but I work by myself :laugh:
Tracy, you are the least annoying person around here. No offense to the rest of you. :rotf:
Quote from: Joe on November 04, 2015, 02:24:59 PMTracy, you are the least annoying person around here. No offense to the rest of you. :rotf:
None Taken. (I tend to take that sort of thing as a compliment).
I just upgraded my 2008 iMac to El Capitan and it was a real bitch. No Worky for 3 days. This is my home machine so all I lost was some MMO time and some hair. Luckily I don't work from home any more.
Eventually figured out I had only (!) 25Gb space on the internal HD which probably caused most of the shit. And I shouldn't have used an old version of Onyx to repair things - apparently El Capitan don't need it's permissions repairing any more anyway.
And my mouse and then my external HD started to play up. So a new £5 mouse and a 1Tb SSD external and another 2 days moving things around and backing up.
Damn thing still runs slower and on startup I only got 500Mb free RAM instead of 2.5Gb. Hey ho - run Memory Cleaner 3-4 times and it's all good.
I saw that I can get 6Gb RAM in the thing instead of the supposed max of 4Gb (got that when i bought it). There is also a range of Tb internal SSDs which supposedly make a LOT of different but I don't want to risk fitting any of that myself.
And I can remember when 25Gb was considered quite a lot. :cane:
Onyx is still a good thing to have IMHO, but it needs to be the right version. There's one for each iteration of OSX. They might not have the newest one up yet, haven't checked.
Quote from: StudioMonkey on November 05, 2015, 08:30:41 AMQuote from: Joe on November 04, 2015, 02:24:59 PMTracy, you are the least annoying person around here. No offense to the rest of you. :rotf:
None Taken. (I tend to take that sort of thing as a compliment).
I just upgraded my 2008 iMac to El Capitan and it was a real bitch. No Worky for 3 days. This is my home machine so all I lost was some MMO time and some hair. Luckily I don't work from home any more.
Eventually figured out I had only (!) 25Gb space on the internal HD which probably caused most of the shit. And I shouldn't have used an old version of Onyx to repair things - apparently El Capitan don't need it's permissions repairing any more anyway.
And my mouse and then my external HD started to play up. So a new £5 mouse and a 1Tb SSD external and another 2 days moving things around and backing up.
Damn thing still runs slower and on startup I only got 500Mb free RAM instead of 2.5Gb. Hey ho - run Memory Cleaner 3-4 times and it's all good.
I saw that I can get 6Gb RAM in the thing instead of the supposed max of 4Gb (got that when i bought it). There is also a range of Tb internal SSDs which supposedly make a LOT of different but I don't want to risk fitting any of that myself.
And I can remember when 25Gb was considered quite a lot. :cane:
This story is why I almost never update an existing OS from the previous version to a new one. I prefer to back up the whole shebang, format and install the new OS fresh and then start bringing back the necessary pieces from the backup. Yeah it takes more time but the end result is worth it. For both Macs and PC's.
Your fort is only as strong as it's foundation.
It also cleans out all the crap and clutter.
Quote from: Possum on November 05, 2015, 09:22:23 AMOnyx is still a good thing to have IMHO, but it needs to be the right version. There's one for each iteration of OSX. They might not have the newest one up yet, haven't checked.
Yes the version of Onyx is available for El Capitan.
QuoteThis story is why I almost never update an existing OS from the previous version to a new one. I prefer to back up the whole shebang, format and install the new OS fresh and then start bringing back the necessary pieces from the backup. Yeah it takes more time but the end result is worth it. For both Macs and PC's.
Seems like a lot of extra work but hey - would have been quicker for me to do it that way. Good advice Joe.
Of course looking for a new computer my current iMac has bee acting up,
had kind of a freak out yesterday, and today I found an article with my same symptoms
and found the AMD Radeon 6970 Video Card is bad.
Apple is going to replace and install for free, this option would of ran out for me in January.
I need to buy a lottery ticket :banana:
get me one too...
pleaseandthankyou!
I was at the Mac store picking out my new computer and they
are trying to upsell me to the Fusion Drive
the computer I picked out has the 1TB Serial ATA Drive@7200 rpm
They are saying the Serial drive will be slow
I'm sure that's what I have in my current computer
Help would be appreciated!
Well it (Serial ATA Drive@7200 rpm) will be slower than the fusion drive but it isn't going to be "slow". How much extra is the fusion drive?
In case you aren't sure what a Fusion drive is...it is a combination traditional hard drive and SSD drive where Apple moves your most used files to the SSD portion of the drive and it is very fast while the least used files stay on the tradition hard drive. However as this article points out Apple has reduced the amount of flash storage in the 1 TB model to 24 GB of SSD storage which is not much.
http://9to5mac.com/2015/10/13/retina-imac-fusion-drive-flash-lol-are-you-serious/
If that is the case with the one they are trying to sell to you I'd decline that option.
200$ more,
Thanks Joe, It gets confusing in the store. It's so loud :old:
I have SSD's in my Mac, PC and laptop at home and I don't think I will ever go back for system drives. The price has dropped for them and as long as you have a HDD or an external (or 4 in my case) you should never be hurting for space.
Full SSDs will whomp the piss out of conventional platter drives, all day long. I think this "fusion drive" BS they're pushing is more marketing hype, esp now that they're quietly dropped the portion that's the SSD.
Quote from: Slappy on November 16, 2015, 02:31:52 PMFull SSDs will whomp the piss out of conventional platter drives, all day long. I think this "fusion drive" BS they're pushing is more marketing hype, esp now that they're quietly dropped the portion that's the SSD.
Agree. Either go all in on a real SSD or don't go at all. Especially Apples implementation of the hybrid drives.
Got the New Mac, the other Mac is getting the Video Card replace, I'm lost :laugh:
New Mac doesn't have a dvd drive, I think that might be a good thing tho.
Thankfully we had an exterior.
Font explorer doesn't seem to want to install, I will be researching that.
No problems so far, just the usual getting everything installed etc..
I haven't used my DVD drive in so long the grease dried up and it will no longer open.
Quote from: Tracy on November 17, 2015, 11:04:36 AMNew Mac doesn't have a dvd drive, I think that might be a good thing tho.
Thankfully we had an exterior.
Font explorer doesn't seem to want to install, I will be researching that.
No problems so far, just the usual getting everything installed etc..
I miss it occasionally but we still do have iMacs that have a DVD drive so I can use those. What OS is on that Mac. I have it installed in OS X 10.10.5 and it still works.
10.11
What happens when you try to install it (Linotype Font Explorer)?
Honestly I've been having so many problems with FEX that I just use font book now.
Agreed. With Indy I use the Document Fonts folder. Anything else I just drag them into /Users/~/Library/Fonts. It seems like there a whole lot of fonts that don't work well with the old free version of FEX.
Yeah, the have shortcuts to the indy folders on the desktop and copy and paste them into there. If it's only one or two it's fontbook. A long time ago FEX refused to import multiple fonts so I just gave up on it.
Though I did have to use it today because indy refused to see it when installed in font book but worked with FEX. I know I used font book when I designed the piece.
OS X? Fonts? Sense? Never! I can have a font work one day and not the next. :strangle:
hmm I love Font Explorer, basically for illy etc..
I rarely have a problem. I mostly use open type tho.
I will have to do what you guys are doing I guess
Nothing happens when I click on Linotype Font Explorer
tried putting it in apps, no worky
Just remove the fonts from /Users/~/Library/Fonts when you are done with them and not be like a certain ex co-worker that had over 8,000 fonts in there and then complained that their Mac was slow. If you do that...I will scold you! :police:
Quote from: Tracy on November 17, 2015, 05:38:30 PMhmm I love Font Explorer, basically for illy etc..
I rarely have a problem. I mostly use open type tho.
I will have to do what you guys are doing I guess
Nothing happens when I click on Linotype Font Explorer
tried putting it in apps, no worky
Hmm... we do very little Indy/Illy work now; almost none. But even when we were, I'd dropped using Font Explorer due to being able to put the job's fonts in Applications/InDesign (whichever version you're using)/Fonts. They just 'show up'; never had to load via FE.
But you gotta go in every few days and Trash what's in there, depending on throughput, of course. You can have them in a named folder for the job inside there as well; still sees 'em.
.... geez, I just had flashbacks to 'font problems'. TTF, OTF, PostScript®, PC ... and this one.
... and sorry Tracy, I'd never have made a lawyer; missed the fine print...¬
Quotetried putting it in apps, no worky
:)
It was the FEX I was trying to put in the apps folder.
So what about fonts for illy, do you put them in the systems font folder?
another question, can you put font folders in the indesign fonts?
or do they have to be out of a folder?
If you just want all Adobe apps to see the fonts you can put them in:
/Users/~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Fonts
If you want all apps to seem them put them in:
/Users/~/Library/Fonts
Not sure about subfolders in the Indy Document Fonts folder. Easy way to find out is try it and and see.
I like the Adobe fonts folder option
I will try subfolders also
Thanks guys! a little difficult over here right now.
Just remember...it's only printing. Don't let it get to you. Life is too short. Stop and smell the roses. :rotf:
I smell something... I doubt that it is roses...
oh, never mind, it just printing
speaking of adobe...
I am installing CC2015 on a Mac here at work. Here is a log file from the install
look at the 2nd to the last line
Quote from: Joe on November 18, 2015, 02:27:37 PMJust remember...it's only printing. Don't let it get to you. Life is too short. Stop and smell the roses. :rotf:
Can I work for you? :smiley:
David let me know how it goes with the install
and that would be Winnie the Pooh
been trying to get this crap to install for 2 days now...
damn proxies and security! :shoots_self:
Quote from: Tracy on November 18, 2015, 03:06:27 PMQuote from: Joe on November 18, 2015, 02:27:37 PMJust remember...it's only printing. Don't let it get to you. Life is too short. Stop and smell the roses. :rotf:
Can I work for you? :smiley:
David let me know how it goes with the install
and that would be Winnie the Pooh
Sure come on over. We just fired someone a few weeks ago and are looking for someone.
On my way! :laugh:
I would actually consider it but have some reasons I can't leave San Diego :(
When I create New Folders they are not highlighted, kind of a pain to have to click the folder to name it.
I did find that if you select several items, you can Control Command N and it will put all items in a folder
I can give people a lot of reasons why they shouldn't come here. ;D
Quote from: david on November 18, 2015, 02:48:02 PMspeaking of adobe...
I am installing CC2015 on a Mac here at work. Here is a log file from the install
look at the 2nd to the last line
(http://i.imgur.com/fHAgmS9.jpg?1?8308)
can I quote that?
I'm going to print it out and put it on the fridge
I got my other mac back that they replaced the video card in yesterday
when I started it up it restarted several times and then it was ok.
same thing this morning.
I called Apple and they said I should get the Malwarebytes app
I downloaded it but it is not for 10.7.5, any suggestions?
I'm not done with Apple yet, this wasn't happening when I took it in.
I just shut down and started, not happening yet...
Hold their feet to the fire until they fix it. That is why you got AppleCare.
My Applecare ran out on that one!
But I will be contacting them. It's their fault :laugh:
I do love my new iMac tho, 16gigoram, shoo wee its fast, can't imagine 32, well maybe I could :laugh:
gonna transfer my pitstop etc.. over
update on my iMac that had the recalled video card.
they replaced the video card and as soon as I turned it on, restart, restart, restart, etc..
I take it back and tell them the only problem I was having before they worked on it was the video card.
they installed El Capitan, 1st time I turn it on, restart, restart, restart, etc.. but even worst.
Now it won't boot in safe mode.
I take it back to Apple and tell them the story I get a manager involved, says they will do extensive testing.
Yesterday I get a call from Apple and they tell me I need a new Logic board, $776.00
I say look It hasn't worked since I took it in for a recalled part, maybe the Logic board went
bad from something you did, I said it wasn't fair.
guy puts me on hold a couple times, talks to a manager, and they are going to cover it! whew.
I advise anyone who takes anything to Apple, read what they put down on the paper work
the 1st tech had wrote down that it was restarting when I first brought it in, and it defo was not.
The guy thankfully believed me when I told him.
they still have it I hope it is ok, My new iMac is great tho :)
Or don't buy a Mac and just be able to replace parts on your own. :P
I don't think any single part of my PC cost $750+
Hell, I've built whole computers for less than that.
Good on Apple for making it right. Tough I'd be pissed if I dropped off a PC and they upgraded it to 10.
yeah, that's when they told me it was a software issue, I learned a lot thru this.
When I get it back I will have El Capitan on both my iMacs which is good for me
I tend to stay with what I know :laugh:
Acro DC is killing me tho
Quote from: Tracy on December 09, 2015, 02:31:26 PMyeah, that's when they told me it was a software issue, I learned a lot thru this.
When I get it back I will have El Capitan on both my iMacs which is good for me
I tend to stay with what I know :laugh:
Acro DC is killing me tho
What is the issue with Acrobat DC? I think I've found most everything.
I went around with Apple over my iMac also and after much arguing they replaced my 2012 POS 27" iMac with a sweet 2013 27" iMac at no cost.
If I had to send this box out and it came back with anything but Snow Leopard exactly as it left I would raise holy hell.
Thanks but no thanks, leave it be.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!
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It's isn't a gift if it takes down my production machine and causes me to spend $50k with Kodak. ;D
I think Acro DC for the most part is learning it, but I think I have glitches also:
when I check for Ink Density in Output preview it's not working properly, sometimes not at all
see my screen shot, I set it to check for 100% just to show how it's now working
the whole thing should be lit up.
I'll have to post the screen shot later, anyone know how to set the screenshots to a lower res file?
On my new mac their coming out as .png and pretty high res
It's because of your nifty retina screen. ;)
:laugh:
here's a smaller screen shot
also Joe, does your tools look like this, all grey?
Quote from: Tracy on December 10, 2015, 09:54:00 AMalso Joe, does your tools look like this, all grey?
They are all gray except the one selected which is blue. I think that is by design and also my Pitstop ones do not turn blue when selected. I think that is a bug.
My Ink Density is working fine. One thing to try on yours is to change Sample Size from "Point Sample" to either "3 x 3" or "5 x 5" and see if it makes a difference. If not I think it might be related to the retina display. Seriously.
Thanks Joe, the 3x3 and 5x5 didn't work either, oh boy
very inconvenient for me. I hope there is a fix in the future.
I do have acro X on my computer too, I have CS6 on disk
I have decided to have CS6 and only the latest CC on my computer
apparently there may be a fix on the next DC update (hope so)
Quote from: Tracy on December 10, 2015, 11:35:52 AMapparently there may be a fix on the next DC update (hope so)
It depends on if secretaries and lawyers are complaining. If it is prepress complaining they will ignore it. Don't hold your breath as I doubt many secretaries are checking their ink coverage.
see this is why I hate change :laugh:
I found an adobe forum and I think the guy was from Adobe who said the fix
will come in January's update of DC.
He did state it was a problem with the Retina and DC
Change is fun! You get to learn what all is wrong before anyone else!
It also makes you the B4P test crash dummy for retina displays. You're welcome!
:lmao:
Quote from: Tracy on December 10, 2015, 12:21:59 PMsee this is why I hate change :laugh:
I found an adobe forum and I think the guy was from Adobe who said the fix
will come in January's update of DC.
He did state it was a problem with the Retina and DC
Sorry but I just have to add...
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
And the check is in the mail too!
ok I'll keep my eye out for the check!!
what the heck, Apple just called and said they are going to replace the hard drive too,
should I be worried? sheesh
Is there anything I can look for to make sure my computer is ok when I go to pick it up?
Quote from: Tracy on December 10, 2015, 03:16:28 PMwhat the heck, Apple just called and said they are going to replace the hard drive too,
should I be worried? sheesh
Is there anything I can look for to make sure my computer is ok when I go to pick it up?
Just make sure that you and they have an understanding that these issues started BEFORE your AppleCare ran out. And have them start it up while you are there.
The last time they replaced my hard drive they said they couldn't salvage the old stuff so I lost everything. Funny thing was, no not really funny, the hard drive was working fine when I took it in. This was from my 2012 27" iMac. They replaced the logic board twice, the hard drive twice, the video card twice, and some other thing-a-ma-bob once. Then when it started doing it all over again after a week and I threw a tantrum on the phone they finally replaced it with the 2013 27" iMac. They made me work for it though.
I read all of this, and being dead in the water on upgrades until someone OKs it all, the hair stands up on the back of my neck.
It keeps it interesting for sure.
Apple care ran out on that one, I think the only reason they are covering it is
because I had the recalled video card, I seriously think the 1st technician
did something wrong and I think they know it.
researching these macs with the recalled parts, I think Apple made some bad computers
at some point and didn't tell the customers, they just let us figure it out for ourselves.
and another thing when I took the computer in the 2nd time, the 1st technician
was standing next to my 2nd technician and said, "I worked on that computer
and there was nothing wrong with it when I got done with it" I just said hmmm it's not working
The new computer is working fine, the one in the shop will be my backup computer.
(If it works) :laugh:
Thanks for listening! I am going to give it my best once over when I go to pick it up.
So Apple replace my 3+ year old mac with a new one, got it today
i7 with 2gb video card, I can't believe I have 2 brand new 27" computers right now!!
good things don't usually happen to me that often :laugh:
Don't look up. An anvil is probably heading for you right now.
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Why does that shadow keep getting bigger?
It's like when everything is going perfectly fine in the print shop. All that means is something is horribly wrong, you just don't know it yet.
We all work at Acme printing. (Road Runner?)
Beep, Beep.
And we are Wile E. Coyote.
I have a 4 day weekend :banana:
Guess that anvil isn't getting here anytime soon.
Oh wait.....I think I see something :laugh:
I'm off for 5 days in about 2.5 hours. :tongue:
Finally got our new 27" iMacs ordered this week. Only 2 years after it was first discussed, not bad! :banana:
Quote from: Slappy on January 19, 2016, 08:03:11 PMFinally got our new 27" iMacs ordered this week. Only 2 years after it was first discussed, not bad! :banana:
Old news now with the 60" iMacs!
Doh!!
I fully expect by the time they deliver, they'll be a full OS release behind too but oh well.
Seriously though the 27" iMacs are great. And you would probably be better off if they are at least one version behind. ;D
The biggest holdup (aside from paying for them) was waiting for our RIP software to be compatible with the newest OS shipping. Cause once all that backend software is updated - that's IT. Won't work on the Older Macs at all. I expect we'll be running them side-by-side for a while anyway, and at least the cheese-grater towers are a great heat source in the Winter!
Well, if they are going to throw them out you can send them up here and I'll mod them to fit PC internals. The cases are great, the HW inside is not anymore.
As I type this on said old hardware...
prolly getting El Capitan with Retina Display?
I need someone to go thru the Retina Display and Acro DC problem with!!!
Quote from: Tracy on January 20, 2016, 12:29:38 PMprolly getting El Capitan with Retina Display?
I need someone to go thru the Retina Display and Acro DC problem with!!!
What is your issue with Acrobat DC? I have a 5k iMac
Specs:
iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014)
4 GHz Intel Core i7
24 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 MB
1TB flash drive
Acro DC's output preview
when I check the ink densities it doesn't show all of warning
just little pieces
El Capitan, Acro DC, Retina
I put in a call to adobe and I didn't have time to reply to the case# etc.. got busy
sheesh
I wouldn't rush to call them. They will just tell you it's a feature, not a bug.
Quote from: Farabomb on January 21, 2016, 07:10:00 AMI wouldn't rush to call them. They will just tell you it's a feature, not a bug.
And that it will help you. Adobe knows best. :strangle:
Quote from: Tracy on January 20, 2016, 12:29:38 PMprolly getting El Capitan with Retina Display?
I need someone to go thru the Retina Display and Acro DC problem with!!!
Yeah, that's one of the things I'm really NOT thrilled about either - new Acrobat acrobatics. :shoots_self:
Guess we'll have to update our Pitstop license to the new subscription model too huh?
It is optional in Pitstop. Monthly, yearly, or the old 'just buy the license for each version as you go'.
I'm not using DC, I'm using acro 10 (CS6) with pitstop 13
I think you can use 12 with it too.
I can't deal with DC's output preview with the Retina, Hope it gets fixed quick
I do know it is adobe's issue tho.
I just noticed that Mac Apple replaced has that Fusion Drive
Umm, what?
Drinking a little early today Tracy?
Quote from: Farabomb on January 22, 2016, 02:03:50 PMUmm, what?
Drinking a little early today Tracy?
:lmao:
what? :laugh:
One of my new macs has that fusion drive.
I guess I am a bit crazy :laugh:
unruly custy's today
It just read a little wonky but I actually understood.
Read enough of Frailer's posts and you can translate most things. ;D
I read that a bit funny too - Fusion Drive kinda sounds like it runs off a Flux Capacitor
(http://www.officialpsds.com/images/thumbs/Back-To-The-Future-Car-psd87682.png)
:laugh: I must redeem myself, not sure if it's really any benefit but this is what it is:
Fusion Drive is Apple Inc.'s name for its implementation of a hybrid drive. Apple's implementation combines a hard disk drive with a NAND flash storage (solid-state drive of 24 GB or more) and presents it as a single Core Storage managed logical volume with the space of both drives combined.[1]
The operating system automatically manages the contents of the drive so the most frequently accessed files, applications, documents, photos and other data are stored on the faster flash storage, while infrequently used items move to or stay on the hard drive.[2] For example, if spreadsheet software is used often, the software will be moved to the flash storage for faster user access. In software, this logical volume speeds up performance of the computer by performing both caching for faster writes and auto tiering for faster reads.
Quote from: Tracy on January 26, 2016, 12:03:29 PM:laugh: I must redeem myself, not sure if it's really any benefit but this is what it is:
Fusion Drive is Apple Inc.'s name for its implementation of a hybrid drive. Apple's implementation combines a hard disk drive with a NAND flash storage (solid-state drive of 24 GB or more) and presents it as a single Core Storage managed logical volume with the space of both drives combined.[1]
The operating system automatically manages the contents of the drive so the most frequently accessed files, applications, documents, photos and other data are stored on the faster flash storage, while infrequently used items move to or stay on the hard drive.[2] For example, if spreadsheet software is used often, the software will be moved to the flash storage for faster user access. In software, this logical volume speeds up performance of the computer by performing both caching for faster writes and auto tiering for faster reads.
hybrid drives have been around for a while. I had a hybrid drive in an old macbook pro, I think it was a Core 2 Duo Macbook pro. They definitely were faster then a traditional hard drive. If you can afford it though, go for an SSD or flash drive. Amazingly fast, makes any computer using a traditional hard drive feel ancient and antiquated, even if it faster spec wise.
Also important in portable devices is that a SSD doesn't have to spin physical platters so it consumes less power. The fusion drive was really a bandaid solution until SSD devices came down in price.
I saw an ad the other day for a 1 TB SSD for $347. That has dropped dramatically in the last year but it is still a little steep for a prepress salary.
Ohhhhh boy!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
HAVE FUN!!!
Tell us all about it, don't leave anything out!! :laugh:
the new magic mouse plugs in at the bottom for recharge
isn't this weird? The charge lasts a very long time but you can't use the mouse when it's charging.
great weekend guys!!
Thought that was odd too, guess the idea is to pay attention to the recharge warning & plug it in overnight. I'm not 100% sold on it yet (love my Logitech MX too much!) but it's pretty responsive, I just need some more buttons to assign shortcuts.
So the new mouse doesn't have batteries to change...or charge if you use rechargeable ones?
Nope, guess it's encased in a shiny white tomb.
Quote from: Slappy on February 06, 2016, 06:20:30 PMNope, guess it's encased in a shiny white tomb.
So when it won't take a charge anymore it's time to get a new mouse I guess.
The USB cord is exactly the one that comes with the iPad and newer iPhones
so worst case I can plug my mouse into my adapter,
since I don't leave my computer on overnight I'm pretty sure it won't charge overnight.
and I do have 2 iMacs, I can't tell you what a stress reliever having a backup computer is,
I have exactly the same everything on them, it's been fun making them identical!! :laugh:
Quote from: Tracy on February 08, 2016, 03:02:55 PMThe USB cord is exactly the one that comes with the iPad and newer iPhones
so worst case I can plug my mouse into my adapter,
since I don't leave my computer on overnight I'm pretty sure it won't charge overnight.
So I did some *gasp* reading! And it seems that:
"...the mouse can get nine hours' worth of battery life in about two minutes." :shocked: I think the Fully Charged life of the mouse is supposed to last 2 months, unsure of how many hours a day they take into account.
Oh, I also discovered today that
any job I send from the new Mac to the DI machine fails. Horribly & without exception. Funny, I was pretty sure I grabbed the right driver from Xerox too.
wow, the mouse does last a long time, but didn't realize that long! Thanks Slappy!
yeah took me awhile to get the right drivers setup for our docucolor and BW copier
kept trying and trying and finally got a good one from efi for the color.
El Capitan is all new for everything!!
I have a logitech trackball that lasts almost a year on one AA battery. It's amazing how efficient they are.
And a new exploit is discovered. Might want to check through the list linked in this article to see if you have any of the offending apps. I see Carbon Copy Cloner is one.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/02/huge-number-of-mac-apps-vulnerable-to-hijacking-and-a-fix-is-elusive/
Quote from: Slappy on February 08, 2016, 09:02:53 PMOh, I also discovered today that any job I send from the new Mac to the DI machine fails. Horribly & without exception. Funny, I was pretty sure I grabbed the right driver from Xerox too.
Yeesh, got
that all worked out at last. no drivers yet for 10.11, had to use the 10.10 install & tweak it a little bit. :shoots_self:
Oh, and if anybody needs anything backsaved...
:hello: :death:
Quote from: Slappy on February 12, 2016, 02:30:18 PMOh, and if anybody needs anything backsaved...
:hello: :death:
I'm so sorry. Words cannot express how much.
Seeing that actually made me shiver. :vomit:
I only have quark 8 and that won't go on my new computers, so you never know.
Haven't seen a quark file in awhile tho :banana:
oh shoot here comes one now :laugh:
Probably followed by a PageMaker and then a Publisher for good measure!
:laugh:
There was only a few pagemaker files when I started CTP prepress
I had a hard time with it.
I hate that software. Always did. Always will. :D
Ragemaker®
Slaaaaapppy! :laugh:
Just wondering if that Extra Finder is working with your new iMac.
I see they have a work around for 10.11
So far it is, as little as I've used it anyway. Still trying to get drivers & day-to-day apps all happy. Our RIP gets overhauled in the next few days also, then it's time to jump in & just pray.