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Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« on: January 11, 2021, 04:34:39 PM »
How many out there use Mac Mini's as prepress workstations?  What are your observations if yes.
I have a Mac Mini 2014 i7 / 3.00 quad core / 16gb RAM / 1TB SS-PCI Express that i am contemplating using.

Right now we have six 2012 Mac Pro's running Mojave....which is as far as they will go.
They all have been updated with 500gb SSD''s and 32 to 64gb of RAM and of course Metal Graphics cards.
Obviously the Mac Mini is not as powerful but is it "good enough" to do the job?



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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2021, 05:27:39 PM »
A former company used to use one with Rampage, and it did the job. Of course, they went out of business. We used to use one for PrintSmith access as a remote terminal, but after a while it couldn't be updated to run the latest version anymore.
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2021, 08:59:58 AM »
I'm sure that Mac mini would work for normal prepress work. It is about the same specs as most of our iMacs as far as RAM, HDD and CPU go.
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2021, 09:55:11 AM »
So Joe, you use all iMacs huh...what models?
Do you like the glossy screens?  That is the reason I stay away from the iMacs...the glossy screens i fear would drive me crazy.
We use NEC PA series flat screen monitors...no gloss finish.  Great for color too.
Maybe I am over thinking it and the iMacs are an option I should consider.
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2021, 10:13:13 AM »
The glossy screens aren't too bad, we just keep any lights directly over or nearby off so we don't get any glare.

We use all iMacs now but we did have the minis at my last place.
We used those as "slaves", set up to do automated workflows like hot folders and such and then pass the files to the output device.
Not a lot of rebooting, nobody messing with them, once they were set up, they just stayed on.

For the operator workstations, they were all either desktop towers or iMacs.
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2021, 10:27:52 AM »
When the iMacs first came out with the glossy iMacs it was horrible and viewing at any angle other than straight on was a miserable experience but they aren't like that any more. The screen now is actually a matte finish and the glass in front of it I would call glossy but I don't see any issues with reflections and it is easy to see the screen from all angles. So short answer is I have no issues with the glossy screen.

The issues I do have, and it is becoming more prevalent with all new Macs, is that Apple is doing their best to make it impossible for users to upgrade their Macs. For example the new M1 Mac mini because the RAM and SSD are part of the M1 system-on-a-chip, the Mac mini's memory and storage are no longer user upgradeable. So when you buy a new one you have to make sure you have enough storage and RAM to last as long as possible. If you cheap out at buying time you will regret it. I expect the iMacs will be the same when they are released with the M1 chip. The only good thing is I plan to be out of prepress before it comes time to decide on new hardware for prepress. But the 27" iMacs from 2017-2019 I do endorse. But not the 21.5" 2019 iMac. You will have to pull the entire system hardware to upgrade ram in it.
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2021, 11:45:09 AM »
We've been all iMac for the last 8 years as well and it's fine. I do agree with Joe about the lack of user upgradeability. The other issue I've noticed is that we've had a lot of iMacs die over the last few years - hard drives, motherboards, video cards. Seems like the quality ain't what they used to be.

There's been talk of switching us to laptops down the road. I'm fine with that as long as I can still plug into a big monitor and get a real keyboard and mouse.
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2021, 11:53:23 AM »
I have a laptop (15" MacBook Pro) here at home and I use it for work a lot.
It works great, but...
I still prefer the larger screen (27" iMac) for all the pallets and windows I open during the course of the day, just ton's easier to view and deal with.

Old ass eyes an' all

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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2021, 11:55:38 AM »
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2021, 12:12:30 PM »
"here's lookin' at you" takes on a whole 'nother meaning as well

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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2021, 12:21:43 PM »
Yeah laptops are great except for the screen, track pad, and keyboard.

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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2021, 12:24:59 PM »
Thanks everyone for the great feedback!
The 2012 Mac Pro's we have are just so solid and I have upgraded them all over the years that hate to see them go.
BUT the time is coming I fear.
I have used a hack for updating 2008 and 2009 Mac Pros to Mojave and just used it to upgrade my 2008 MP at home to Catalina.
You can find it at http://dosdude1.com/
They have really refined the process and it has always worked very very well.  I could go that route with all our Mac Pros for another year or two,
but they are 9 years old now so may be time.
Don't have to make a decision until we have our Kodak Prinergy servers updated with Windows Server 2019 OS.
So we then can install/upgrade to Prinergy 9 and then we can move from Mojave to Big Sur all this hopefully by April.
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2021, 12:40:57 PM »
Looking at that link he doesn't appear to have a Big Sur patcher. I know VPS+ and Preps 9 and Prinergy 9 will all be Catalina supported but I'm not sure if they will be Big Sur compatible. Big Sur is a complete different monster from previous versions of Mac OS.

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So Prinergy 9 is nearing the end of the beta with a scheduled release date for the end of January. The date could move if any last minute issues are discovered.

Prinergy 9, Preps 9, and VPS+ offer full support for Mac OS 10.15 Catalina. VPS+ is a brand new replacement QA tool for VPS with so many new features.

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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2021, 01:01:51 PM »
Yeah, I knew that, misspoke there.
We are just wrapping up our Insite 9.2 beta here as well.
So that will be forthcoming soon.

On those iMacs....would there be a problem running 3 monitors?
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Re: Mac Mini for prepress workstation
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2021, 01:22:48 PM »
On my 2017 iMac I have two Thunderbolt ports so I assume I could hook up a monitor to both plus the screen of the iMac for a total of 3. I've never tried it though.

Any chance they made Insite 9.2 revert back to the UI of Insite 8.x? :rotf:
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