From a press release today: Adobe has decided to focus its resources on Creative Cloud and will not continue development on its Creative Suite software, reports The Next Web. While Creative Suite 6 will continue to be supported in regards to bug fixes, there will be no further updates and no Creative Suite 7.
Here we go....
By the way, didn't see anything about it on Adobe's newsroom page.
shhh, it's a secret...
don't tell anyone
They will still be making new versions of their apps though they will be called CC instead of CS. You'll still have to download them to your computer and install them. Instead of buying the software at a flat cost though you will be forced into the monthly subscription. $49.99 per month though they do have a special of $29.99 for the first year I believe it is. They basically turned it into a cash cow that never stops producing.
Wish I had a cow like that.
Yup. Cash cow. They know America loves hamburgers.
Is there a vegan option?
Cash vegan?
cash beans
Makes sense - bean counter.
I'm seeing a lot of squawking about this move on another forum. Maybe I should have put this topic under Doomed.
Maybe Quark aint so bad :homer:
People always squawk. Once they get it out of their system they will sign up for it. :laugh:
Quote from: born2print on May 06, 2013, 12:24:42 PMMaybe Quark aint so bad :homer:
You take that back!!!!!!!11
Quote from: born2print on May 06, 2013, 12:24:42 PMMaybe Quark aint so bad :homer:
BLASPHEMER! born is the devil incarnate! :dev2:
I should be stoned :wink: :laugh:
Actually, it ain't so bad. Of course, there's always Publisher.
Quote from: born2print on May 06, 2013, 12:32:50 PMI should be stoned
Five o clock will be here soon enough. Hang on! :drunk3:
Oh, Adobe says it's going to be flexible with companies that restrict cloud service. I think that concern has come up here before with security conscious firms.
Thanks guys, now I would not feel so all-alone :thumbsup:
More info here. Fuck.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/06/adobe-goes-subscription-only-rebrands-creative-suite-as-creative-cloud (http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/05/06/adobe-goes-subscription-only-rebrands-creative-suite-as-creative-cloud)
Behance= :shoots_self:
Quote from: born2print on May 06, 2013, 01:01:58 PMThanks guys, now I would not feel so all-alone :thumbsup:
:laugh:
After seeing the pitch a month or so ago at the InDesign Users' Group, I'm a lot less skeptical f the subscription model. I honestly don't know how it will affect people like us though, in a multi-seat environment. We're pretty much hostage to whatever our clients want to do though, especially in places like mine where they haven't bothered to push a PDF submission over live file path.
"With Creative Cloud and Adobe Typekit®, you'll have access to over a thousand font families — all organized, searchable, and easy to add to your projects in seconds. You focus on finding the right font, and Typekit takes care of compatibility and licensing details."
I take this to mean that if you don't sign up, and don't have the font, your hosed. Why package a job when it's all out there in the cloud?
I really hope I'm wrong, but I just know the owners are gonna freak when they here we have to start paying $250 a month to keep the workstations going.
Our IT guy announce he was buying CS6 last week, I told him to wait until this Adobe maxi thing was done, but then we figured it would be CS7 and skip a year kind of thing, oh well, it's only money.
Quote from: born2print on May 06, 2013, 12:24:42 PMMaybe Quark aint so bad :homer:
:drunk3: how bad could this be :drunk3: that quark aint so bad? :drunk3: it must be bad, real bad :drunk3: we all going back to quark then :drunk3: as our cornerstone app? say it aint so... :drunk3:
Interesting with the font idea, but is it only for web fonts?
http://help.typekit.com/customer/portal/articles/529506-getting-started-with-typekit-and-creative-cloud (http://help.typekit.com/customer/portal/articles/529506-getting-started-with-typekit-and-creative-cloud)
Typekit is available standalone or as part of Adobe's Creative Cloud service. As part of a paid Creative Cloud subscription, you'll receive a Typekit Portfolio plan with access to our full library of web fonts. (The free Creative Cloud subscription includes a Typekit Free Plan, with a subset of the fonts available.)
If you are new to Typekit, first subscribe to Creative Cloud. (If you've previously purchased Creative Suite 3 or later, you're eligible for a discount on your first year of Creative Cloud.) Then, sign in to Typekit with the same Adobe ID you used to subscribe to Creative Cloud.
Now you can begin using Typekit. Browse the library of fonts or learn how to add fonts to your site.
Note: if you are already using Typekit, you can link your new Creative Cloud membership to your Typekit account.
What we as an industry should do is tell Adobe to shove their "cloud" up their ass. If every print shop in the world did it, their software would be virtually worthless. At the very lest they should start the Partners Program back up, and offer print shops access to their print software at a substantial discount for a yearly fee. I do not need Flash, Dreamweaver or any of the Web applications, and I already have all the fonts I need, ditto on the storage and collaboration BS. I for one will stick with CS5.5, and ask for PDF's for CC files like we do for Quack files now.
I think a lot of people already did that, judging by the way the Adobe help forums were besieged by questions about CS2 apps once Adobe let go of the authorization on those apps and people started downloading like crazy. They even had to put up a special header for CS2 questions.
That's a sign of how many people aren't going on the Cloud.
Quote from: abc on May 07, 2013, 07:58:30 AMInteresting with the font idea, but is it only for web fonts?
http://help.typekit.com/customer/portal/articles/529506-getting-started-with-typekit-and-creative-cloud (http://help.typekit.com/customer/portal/articles/529506-getting-started-with-typekit-and-creative-cloud)
Typekit is available standalone or as part of Adobe's Creative Cloud service. As part of a paid Creative Cloud subscription, you'll receive a Typekit Portfolio plan with access to our full library of web fonts. (The free Creative Cloud subscription includes a Typekit Free Plan, with a subset of the fonts available.)
If you are new to Typekit, first subscribe to Creative Cloud. (If you've previously purchased Creative Suite 3 or later, you're eligible for a discount on your first year of Creative Cloud.) Then, sign in to Typekit with the same Adobe ID you used to subscribe to Creative Cloud.
Now you can begin using Typekit. Browse the library of fonts or learn how to add fonts to your site.
Note: if you are already using Typekit, you can link your new Creative Cloud membership to your Typekit account.
Yeah, I believe those are just the web fonts. You can already do that with Googles vast library of web fonts for nothing.
And so it begins:
They will still have to make allowances for security-heavy clients (eg: pharma) that do not allow workstations to be linked to the internet. We had to go thru a few more hoops to accomplish the CS6 install, but it was possible without internet access. As far as I'm concerned they can shove the "cloud" where the sun don't shine. :mrt:
Is anyone using the "cloud" here on B4P?
Joe? I want to hear stories from the trenches...
Quote from: almaink on May 07, 2013, 09:30:12 AMWhat we as an industry should do is tell Adobe to shove their "cloud" up their ass. If every print shop in the world did it, their software would be virtually worthless. At the very lest they should start the Partners Program back up, and offer print shops access to their print software at a substantial discount for a yearly fee. I do not need Flash, Dreamweaver or any of the Web applications, and I already have all the fonts I need, ditto on the storage and collaboration BS. I for one will stick with CS5.5, and ask for PDF's for CC files like we do for Quack files now.
You mean just like everybody "agrees" not to buy gas on the same day to stick it to the oil companies? Be real, we'll do exactly what our clients want & suck it up. It's a cost of doing business and railing against the perceived injustice won't do squat. I see designers crying & threatening to go back to Quark, or even CorelDraw - and they're all morons who will stik with Adobe in the end.
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on May 07, 2013, 10:34:38 AMIs anyone using the "cloud" here on B4P?
Joe? I want to hear stories from the trenches...
Yeah, I use Amazon S3 at work for offsite backups. And the FREE cloud services ADrive (50 GB), Dropbox (5 GB), Skydrive (25 GB), Google (5 GB), Apple (5 GB), Amazon S3 Free Tier (5 GB), and Amazon Cloud Drive (5 GB) for my own personal cloud storage.
But I don't use the Adobe Cloud for CS6 though. We bought the desktop versions of those.
I use Amazon Cloud for mp3 downloads (I won't support the Apple store anymore).
I use Pogoplug Cloud for all my personal documents, photos, music and videos.
Quote from: Slappy on May 07, 2013, 10:49:06 AMI see designers crying & threatening to go back to Quark, or even CorelDraw - and they're all morons who will stik with Adobe in the end.
You're absolutely right. I read a bunch of comments on some other site and they're all like "Bye, Adobe" but you know within a few months they'll be tooling with the Cloud on their tablets at coffeeshops.
Adobe has no real competition when it comes to the suite as a whole. Moving to other options such as Corel and Quark don't provide the integration from one app to the other, but many of us started out that way before Adobe came on the scene and can do so again.
There are two big problems with the subscription model that I see.
First of all, if you drop your subscription at some time in the future, you won't be able to open any of your files unless you borrow someone else's computer or subscribe for a month.
Second, while Adobe is not doing this yet, apparently, the fine print allows them to update your apps without your permission and without telling you. What happens when they do that with some buggy update? You won't be able to go back to your previous un-updated version unless you constantly back up with something like Time Machine that will do a full restore. This also runs the risk of your apps updating to the point that your OS can't run them. Adobe addressed this, and currently allows delaying updating apps so you have time to run out and update your OS or buy a new computer, but they do reserve the right to just shove the updates up your port when they feel like it.
It will be interesting to see how many third party apps are created or improved now to try to compete.
I can see print shops doing what almaink suggested and requiring PDF's only. They've done it before with Quark. In our case we still have to have page layout software though for in-house production and I can't see us switching to Scribus (http://www.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus) anytime soon.
But theoretically a design shop could switch to Gimp, Inkscape, and Scribus and get by. But the lack of a good PDF Editor with a tool like Pitstop will keep most print shops from abandoning Adobe.
Oh lookee, a petition! (http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model) :lmao:
I'll bet Adobe is having a good chuckle over that. :laugh:
Quote from: abc on May 07, 2013, 07:58:30 AMInteresting with the font idea, but is it only for web fonts?
http://help.typekit.com/customer/portal/articles/529506-getting-started-with-typekit-and-creative-cloud (http://help.typekit.com/customer/portal/articles/529506-getting-started-with-typekit-and-creative-cloud)
Typekit is available standalone or as part of Adobe's Creative Cloud service. As part of a paid Creative Cloud subscription, you'll receive a Typekit Portfolio plan with access to our full library of web fonts. (The free Creative Cloud subscription includes a Typekit Free Plan, with a subset of the fonts available.)
If you are new to Typekit, first subscribe to Creative Cloud. (If you've previously purchased Creative Suite 3 or later, you're eligible for a discount on your first year of Creative Cloud.) Then, sign in to Typekit with the same Adobe ID you used to subscribe to Creative Cloud.
Now you can begin using Typekit. Browse the library of fonts or learn how to add fonts to your site.
Note: if you are already using Typekit, you can link your new Creative Cloud membership to your Typekit account.
Ah ha. I just glanced it over in a fury of distrust. I'll have to give the whole thing a chance i suppose, I'm just ticked that our IT guy just finally upgraded to CS6 last week.
Quote from: Slappy on May 07, 2013, 12:10:15 PMOh lookee, a petition! (http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model) :lmao:
QuoteLet's make a difference and stand up to Adobe and let them know our stance. We want our voices heard.
:laugh: So don't buy their products. Solved.
Adobe is flexing their muscles in the graphics/media sector, they can do this since they totally have the market cornered.
farking bastards.
Think King Kong. But with a designer's sensibility, of course.
I've seen nothing about Acrobat and Creative Cloud which kind of makes sense as Adobe openly admit that their main market is not Graphic Arts, but the corporate electronic document market
Also the Adobe product page for Acrobat doesn't bombard you with CC messaging like the other creative suite application pages.
Anybody heard/seen anything about Acrobat?
Quote from: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on May 07, 2013, 10:34:38 AMIs anyone using the "cloud" here on B4P?
If you define the 'cloud' as the 'use of computing resources (hardware and software) that are delivered as a service over a network (typically the Internet)' - like Wikipedia does - then the majority of printers are already using the cloud. Most of them have a web site which they don't host themselves on their own systems - that is a cloud service! Many also use cloud services for their FTP-server or e-mail or something like Apogee StoreFront web-to-print (http://www.apogeestorefront.com) (a shameless plug, I know, but I am supposed to do such things :wink: ).
I think Adobe calling their software suite a cloud service is more a reflection of their long term ambitions than an actual reality. Right now they use the cloud for providing access to software downloads, licensing, updates, some collaboration tools, etc. InDesign or Photoshop are still installed on your local computer. Some day however that software or a part of it may run as a full cloud service. I think it would be great if some of the PDF corrrections you can do in Acrobat would be available on the web on a monthly basis - for those people that only need this once a year or so.
Quote from: abc on May 08, 2013, 12:47:01 AMI've seen nothing about Acrobat and Creative Cloud which kind of makes sense as Adobe openly admit that their main market is not Graphic Arts, but the corporate electronic document market
Also the Adobe product page for Acrobat doesn't bombard you with CC messaging like the other creative suite application pages.
Anybody heard/seen anything about Acrobat?
Whatever happened to the Enfocus stand alone PDF editor? NEO I believe it was. Had it not been priced at about the price of a decent car it had some possibilities. Maybe this would be a good time to resurrect that?
I've got Neo. It's expensive.
Neo was a bit before my time, from what I know it wasn't that popular so it didn't make sense to continue it.
I really don't think they can tie Acrobat to the Creative Cloud, it doesn't make sense for corporates/goverment etc, as in my opinion there are no real benefits in the Creative Cloud concept.
Also if you have Acrobat already do you really need to upgrade?
PDF2.0 is coming but that's not really a radical change as in old days when PDF versions meant you needed to upgrade your Acrobat.
How many people on this forum are running on Acrobat XI?
I talked this over with the owner and he's going to poll our customers and see what they are going to do. We are suggesting they keep the versions they are now using and save some money by not bothering to update to the cloud. I would prefer to spend what little money I have for software on PDF editing software that I can use not Adobe apps I only need to open and fix customers files. I have CS, CS2, CS3, CS4, and CS5.5, and I use CS3 still for almost everything I do. I think I can get by with those for any new files I need to create here for the rest of my life.
Quote from: abc on May 08, 2013, 05:34:09 AMNeo was a bit before my time, from what I know it wasn't that popular so it didn't make sense to continue it.
I've got a Nexus workflow, so I use Neo to trap files occasionally if the auto-trap module doesn't do what I want - usually to put a keep-away trap on rich black where the black is less than 100k (there is a threshold setting in the trap module of Nexus, but it doesn't seem to work.)
I also use it anytime I need to edit a photo in a PDF, which is quite frequent. Trying to edit photos from Acrobat often results in the "can't open due to unsupported color space" error.
Quote from: almaink on May 08, 2013, 07:22:35 AMI think I can get by with those for any new files I need to create here for the rest of my life.
Right. Where I worked up until 2010 we were still using plain old CS. It worked fine for our workflow (for a newspaper) and if we got any customer files we only accepted PDF. I'm on CS3 at work now and it will likely never be upgraded.
Quote from: abc on May 08, 2013, 05:34:09 AMNeo was a bit before my time, from what I know it wasn't that popular so it didn't make sense to continue it.
I really don't think they can tie Acrobat to the Creative Cloud, it doesn't make sense for corporates/goverment etc, as in my opinion there are no real benefits in the Creative Cloud concept.
Also if you have Acrobat already do you really need to upgrade?
PDF2.0 is coming but that's not really a radical change as in old days when PDF versions meant you needed to upgrade your Acrobat.
How many people on this forum are running on Acrobat XI?
It wasn't popular because of the ridiculous price tag on it. I used it for a bit while we were trying out Nexus Odyssey. I loved it but no way were we paying what Artworks Systems was asking at the time. Which was around $8k for the trapping version.
We do not have Acrobat XI mainly because we bought CS6 early when it came with Acrobat X but I still think people will need to stay upgraded on Acrobat. It seems anytime they update Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign it affects Acrobat down the line.
And Acrobat is already in the Creative Cloud. This is from their October 14, 2012 press release:
QuoteAcrobat XI Pro has arrived
From the beginning, we promised that Creative Cloud members would always get the latest software upgrades at no extra charge. We're excited to make this happen today with the release of Acrobat XI Pro. Members can go to the Apps page right now to download and install Adobe's newest and most powerful collaboration solution.
QuoteWe're excited to make this happen today
I'm not. :sleepy:
Got emails from two different customers this morning. One is going all in with CC. The other is switching back to Quark. So some people are going through with their threats of abandoning Adobe.
That's insane, I had to use Quark twice this week and it was so horribly painful I can't even begin to imagine changing ALLL your files over.
It may just be a knee jerk reaction to the fleece. We'll see if they carry through.
Just quark? So they have no plans on doing image edits or artwork in Illy/PS?
Quote from: gnubler on May 09, 2013, 12:59:52 PMJust quark? So they have no plans on doing image edits or artwork in Illy/PS?
I suppose the thought is to stop at CS5.5 or 6 (or whatever) for those :shrug:
Quote from: born2print on May 09, 2013, 01:01:32 PMQuote from: gnubler on May 09, 2013, 12:59:52 PMJust quark? So they have no plans on doing image edits or artwork in Illy/PS?
I suppose the thought is to stop at CS5.5 or 6 (or whatever) for those :shrug:
Then why not use Indy 5.5/6 forever? I'd rather use old CS or even Indy v.2 or whatever rather than use any version of quark for any reason. :laugh:
Quote from: gnubler on May 09, 2013, 12:59:52 PMJust quark? So they have no plans on doing image edits or artwork in Illy/PS?
They have CS6 now so those apps are still going to run for awhile. Their biggest issue is they use some specialized Indy plug-ins for Classifieds and ad management and it runs them $13,000 to upgrade when InDesign gets updated by Adobe. And with Adobes plans for more frequent updates that can get pricey really quick. Of course I can see Quark moving to a cloud based subscription too as most software will. So that puts them right back in a similar boat...just one with a bigger hole in the bottom of it. :laugh:
The bottom line is that printers are not the big part of the software market, Adobe does not sweat our half-bakes threats, we will get away with what we can until we cant, then right back into their warm embrace.
True. Every printer in the world could switch to Publisher and it wouldn't make a ripple in the Adobe ocean. :laugh:
Quote from: Joe on May 09, 2013, 01:10:38 PMI can see Quark moving to a cloud
So the atmosphere is about to get even stinkier & dirtier.
Was Googlin' to see if Quark 9 had a decent seps preview (of course, it doesn't) and this is was the auto-complete it came up with:
:lmao:
perfect :lmao:
Not sure who made it but - yah.
Quote from: Slappy on May 09, 2013, 01:50:29 PMWas Googlin' to see if Quark 9 had a decent seps preview (of course, it doesn't) and this is was the auto-complete it came up with:
:lmao:
lol
I had to google sepsis as I'm not a medical professional...
Quotea severe blood infection that can lead to organ failure and death.
Sounds like how I feel after a few hours with quark, only change organ to brain. :death:
your brain is an organ...
in most cases
Quote from: gnubler on May 09, 2013, 09:46:19 PMQuote from: Slappy on May 09, 2013, 01:50:29 PMWas Googlin' to see if Quark 9 had a decent seps preview (of course, it doesn't) and this is was the auto-complete it came up with:
:lmao:
lol
I had to google sepsis as I'm not a medical professional...
Quotea severe blood infection that can lead to organ failure and death.
Sounds like how I feel after a few hours with quark, only change organ to brain. :death:
Funny, I'm also a medical reTARD. I was the only one in the family who didn't know what septic meant went Jer's dad was in the hospital when we had a meeting with the doctor. So I asked and the one sister explained it to me but talked to me like I was a fucking 3 year old. If it wasn't for the fact her father was on his death bed, she would've been choked.
I had the following exchange with the Digital Media Communications Director at Adobe. I don't think the uber geeks at Adobe are expecting to be wasting their resources supporting ink on paper for much longer, they're as convinced that everything is soon to be digital as the marketing nitwits who bought Quark from Tim Gill were convinced that Macs were on their way to the junkyard, and that they should throw their resources behind supporting the PC version. As far as Adobe waving this wonderous "TypeKit" service in our faces, who the fuck cares about having thousands of fonts "on the web" when at any given time you might lose access to them?
This is Quark's big chance for a comeback, and I'd love to see them pull that rabbit out of their offshore hats, but instead I'm betting that sooner, rather than later, some unknown smart kids from far out in left field will figure out how to steal Adobe's lunch and get enough funding from some venture capitalist to pull it off.
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On May 8, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Russell Brady wrote:
Hi Hotmetal
Thanks for your very thoughtful and civil email. Believe me....not all have been! We understand this transition will be difficult for some people -- and it's not something we did lightly.
As a craftsman who embraced change before - the move from analog to digital is, I would respectfully argue, something far more scary than what we are doing. I just ask you to have an open mind. We do not want to lose customers like you. Indeed, Adobe was founded to bring your industry into the digital world. And one of the great things about Adobe is we're still engaged actively in the type world (last week we released our font rasterizer to the open source community, to help iOS and Android devices display type better).
We firmly believe that the old model was broken: customers want the latest software as soon as our engineers come up with their latest magic.....and not have these big 18-24 month releases. Now we can deliver innovation to products like InDesign immediately to customers without waiting on the next CS "launch train". And it's not just the apps you get for $50 per month (less if you are a current customer) it's new services. Ok, I'll admit it, I'm a bit of an old font nerd......and it is astonishing to me that through our TypeKit service, that is part of Creative Cloud, you have access to thousands of fonts for legal use on the web and in print: indeed if you bought all these fonts from Adobe and participating foundries....they would cost over $25,000. But they are accessible and usable as part of your $50 per month.
Thanks again for reaching out. A full customer FAQ is available here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html)
Best
Russell Brady
Communications Director, Digital Media
Adobe
Tel: 408-536-6048
On 5/8/13 7:52 AM, Hotmetal wrote:
Dear Mr. Brady:
I am 61 years old and was a senior typesetter at Pastore DiPamphilis Rampone in NYC in 1987 when they upgraded their Autologic film output devices to Postscript and we began working with Macintosh hardware and software.
I am also a historian and have been taking constant notes about how this industry works, from the first day I sat down at a Varityper typesetting system in 1976.
After we typesetters all got laid-off and replaced by desktop publishers in 1991, the abrupt end of an honorable 400-year-old trade, I swam upstream and became one of the more knowledgeable digital prepress technicians in town, retiring from that when I hit 60. Now I've gone back to doing a little typesetting from time to time, on projects that interest me, mostly books. I'm very, very good at this.
I will not, however, be following Adobe into the cloud. Your new model is totally absurd and unacceptable to a long-time, extremely knowledgeable and loyal Adobe user such as myself. It is unfortunate that Adobe sees no profit in retaining legacy customers in their marketing plans. I will simply find other software to continue my work.
I suspect that, in the decades to come, when I get around to writing the final chapter of my book of my experiences in this industry, the eventual outcome from Adobe's decision to move to this new business model will follow closely the result of the poor decisions made by Quark, with a similar outcome. As I said, I am a historian, and I have a strong track record of being correct in my predictions.
But, so-long and best of luck. It was good working with you for the last 26 years.
Sincerely,
Hotmetal
Minneapolis, MN
People pay for fonts? :laugh:
Quote from: Russell Brady on May 13, 2013, 03:42:43 PMHi Hotmetal
Thanks for your very thoughtful and civil email. Believe me....not all have been! We understand this transition will be difficult for some people -- and it's not something we did lightly.
As a craftsman who embraced change before - the move from analog to digital is, I would respectfully argue, something far more scary than what we are doing. I just ask you to have an open mind. We do not want to lose customers like you. Indeed, Adobe was founded to bring your industry into the digital world. And one of the great things about Adobe is we're still engaged actively in the type world (last week we released our font rasterizer to the open source community, to help iOS and Android devices display type better).
We firmly believe that the old model was broken: customers want the latest software as soon as our engineers come up with their latest magic.....and not have these big 18-24 month releases. Now we can deliver innovation to products like InDesign immediately to customers without waiting on the next CS "launch train". And it's not just the apps you get for $50 per month (less if you are a current customer) it's new services. Ok, I'll admit it, I'm a bit of an old font nerd......and it is astonishing to me that through our TypeKit service, that is part of Creative Cloud, you have access to thousands of fonts for legal use on the web and in print: indeed if you bought all these fonts from Adobe and participating foundries....they would cost over $25,000. But they are accessible and usable as part of your $50 per month.
That is complete and total bullshit. The only one keeping Adobe from "delivering innovation to products like InDesign immediately to customers without waiting on the next CS "launch train"" was Adobe. They are the ones that chose to withhold new features and even bug fixes until the next paid release. They very easily could have released new features through Adobe Update.
Another tidbit I found out is that while the regular price is $49.99 they are gouging their biggest customers that buy a lot of copies $69.99 per copy per month. Take my company for example, we have 14 copies of CS6. To move to the Cloud we can do that for $49.99 per month but we have to subscribe to 14 separate accounts and pay monthly via credit card with 14 separate charges of $49.99 on the credit card. You can't just pay one charge of $699.86. If you just want to have one account of multiple users you have to get the $69.99 per copy per month plan which allows to only have one account and make one payment a month. Any other benefits? Yeah, you get a whopping 100 gb of cloud space instead of whatever the usual is which I think is about 5 gb for individual accounts.
I am not digging their new direction. We got burned a little when CS6 came out, because one of our bigger customers immediately got updated(assume they were on the cloud at the time) so therefore we couldn't wait even a little time to upgrade. We usually wait and let others debug the new versions, and go as long as we can until updating. CS4 was such a waste we never moved on from having one copy of CS4 to down save files. The same with CS5. CS5.5 became such a hassle to down save all the way to CS3 that we then updated. I know this sort of behavior hurts Adobe so therefore can see their move to this service...but it sucks balls.
They are sorely mistaken thinking we all want the latest version, as my example shows...and they know it, which is why they moved to this strategy. As a print house, I have no way to NOT keep updated and pay their monthly fees now. We have 25 seats overall. That's $1250 per month, with the first year being cheaper. Almost ALL of the files I receive could have easily been mutilated by the designer with CS3, if not CS2...
Can't wait to explain this to bossman :drunk3:
i didnt know about he multi seat license Joe, thanks for the info. WTF am i supposed to do with 100GB of their server space? My webspace is fine(in house).
Don't even get me started on this font bs. As a printer, fonts can be supplied to me per the license agreement, to print my customers job. It is me breaking this agreement if I were to keep the font and use it for our own use, or for another customer....which of course we never do :ninja:
Did someone from Apple marketing leave and go to Adobe? Once a company starts talking "magical" I lose all hope.
:drunk3:
Quote from: Mikie on May 13, 2013, 05:56:11 PMi didnt know about he multi seat license Joe, thanks for the info. WTF am i supposed to do with 100GB of their server space? My webspace is fine(in house).
Don't even get me started on this font bs. As a printer, fonts can be supplied to me per the license agreement, to print my customers job. It is me breaking this agreement if I were to keep the font and use it for our own use, or for another customer....which of course we never do :ninja:
Did someone from Apple marketing leave and go to Adobe? Once a company starts talking "magical" I lose all hope.
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They call it Creative Cloud for teams for 69.99 per month if that helps any. :sarcasm:
And to be fair it is only 39.99 for the first year since you've been a loyal follower. :death:
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/buying-guide.html)
And it is 100 gb of storage for each user. In your case you get 2500 gb.
"Creative Cloud for teams" We all get along, but "team" is stretching this place a little lol
:ohno: the 2500 GB helps none. I use Insite for some uploads, FTP for others, and random and becoming more frequent "youshare, yousendit, eshare,fileteleport magical download link in a email" downloads.
I don't have to pay the bills so whatever, we HAVE to go along. That's my only whine which will of course, matter not. :deadhorse:
DOOMED.
Quote from: gnubler on May 13, 2013, 06:18:03 PMDOOMED.
you got that shit right my squirelly friend. We can just lay off someone to cover the added cost and commitment over the next few years, and work harder :drunk3:
no worries
Quote from: Mikie on May 13, 2013, 06:15:29 PM"Creative Cloud for teams" We all get along, but "team" is stretching this place a little lol
:ohno: the 2500 GB helps none. I use Insite for some uploads, FTP for others, and random and becoming more frequent "youshare, yousendit, eshare,fileteleport magical download link in a email" downloads.
I don't have to pay the bills so whatever, we HAVE to go along. That's my only whine which will of course, matter not. :deadhorse:
I guess I should have added the :sarcasm: emoticon after the "2500 gb" statement. :laugh:
Joe, the same smartass comment would have been posted :hello:
Apple is going to do the same thing with applecare, if you hadnt heard :wtf:
Today I was asked for help with fixing a crashing Apple Mail. I grew bored after reading some comments on other forums, but mostly I lost interest b/c this user had no system disk for the Mac, it was all done via "cloud" and Apple doesn't provide a d/l for Mail other than on the system disk which apparently people no longer see a need for. I don't get it.
It is Apple that says you don't need it. I took the download and burned it to USB thumb drive so I have a restore disk.
I want no involvement with people who rely completely on cloud shit. This is what happens.
Have you considered moving up into the mountains and building a mud hut? You'll still be in the "Cloud" only a different kind. :laugh:
Quote from: Joe on May 14, 2013, 09:42:45 AMHave you considered moving up into the mountains and building a mud hut? You'll still be in the "Cloud" only a different kind. :laugh:
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Quote from: Joe on May 14, 2013, 09:42:45 AMHave you considered moving up into the mountains and building a mud hut? You'll still be in the "Cloud" only a different kind. :laugh:
Every damn day.
Sounds good to me. Or at least go to a nice, normal job with nice, normal problems.
Quote from: Possum on May 15, 2013, 08:20:20 AMSounds good to me. Or at least go to a nice, normal job with nice, normal problems.
not sure if it's like this for everyone, but the level of stress and insane demands has tripled in the last 3 weeks around here.
Quote from: t-pat on May 15, 2013, 09:56:52 AMQuote from: Possum on May 15, 2013, 08:20:20 AMSounds good to me. Or at least go to a nice, normal job with nice, normal problems.
not sure if it's like this for everyone, but the level of stress and insane demands has tripled in the last 3 weeks around here.
Sounds normal. For printing, anyway. :drunk3:
Nope. We're so damned slow that I've started re-learning converting print layouts to ePub formats, iPad mostly. Print is dead, dontcha know.
Quote from: gnubler on May 15, 2013, 10:01:50 AMQuote from: t-pat on May 15, 2013, 09:56:52 AMQuote from: Possum on May 15, 2013, 08:20:20 AMSounds good to me. Or at least go to a nice, normal job with nice, normal problems.
not sure if it's like this for everyone, but the level of stress and insane demands has tripled in the last 3 weeks around here.
Sounds normal. For printing, anyway. :drunk3:
we're all working towards a mutiny I think.
Quote from: Slappy on May 15, 2013, 10:22:41 AMNope. We're so damned slow that I've started re-learning converting print layouts to ePub formats, iPad mostly. Print is dead, dontcha know.
damn! We're busier than flies on a manure pile. (this is my only post of the day where I haven't cursed).
Fuck. There, I said it for you and I'm not even at work!
It sounds like eventually, backsaving a file for someone who is not cloud based will become impossible. Surely eventually a file will have so many features removed that opening a modern file in something 10 years old will render it less than useful.
On a more positive note, I suppose everyone would be using the same font set, which would cut down on font problems...unless a designer wants to use a non-Adobe font for some reason.
Is that even possible? :homer:
I don't know why I didn't think about before, or if it was mentioned already in this thread...
But how many users will just stay with CS6 and never upgrade?
And then ask you for back-saved files you made edits to on the cloud.
Quote from: Captain_Type on May 17, 2013, 10:04:42 AMAnd then ask you for back-saved files you made edits to on the cloud.
Well, yeah, I guess. I mean, what if no one ever migrates to the cloud. Hell, many folks are still using CS3-4.
Cloud = no adopters, except that photographer doof in the video.
Quote from: Grimace on May 17, 2013, 09:45:17 AMI don't know why I didn't think about before, or if it was mentioned already in this thread...
But how many users will just stay with CS6 and never upgrade?
users that have customers that never upgrade either.
I ventured over to the PP Forums and of course there's a pretty heavy discussion going on over this too, many of the same issues. Except, there's an Adobe Guy posting & replying and making some interesting points. Go read it if ya want, it's in the Adobe sub-section. Probably clear up some of the misconceptions but it's not all rosy.
Quote from: Grimace on May 17, 2013, 09:45:17 AMI don't know why I didn't think about before, or if it was mentioned already in this thread...
But how many users will just stay with CS6 and never upgrade?
My guess is many of them will hold off as long as possible. Being a printer though you usually have to go along with whatever your customers do unless you can force them to send PDF's. But it won't be long before those people start receiving files from their customers created with CC, .psd, .ai, and .pdf files, that will start causing problems when used with the older CS6 apps. So even they they may think they are "never" going to upgrade they will eventually. Adobe has everyone by the short hairs on this one.
I just read all 5 pages...
I'm on the fence about this and his explanations are only confusing more and more people
Leonard is giving them hell...
oh, don't use Illy to open a pdf, damn you!
Quote from: david on May 17, 2013, 10:43:36 AMoh, don't use Illy to open a pdf, damn you!
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Quote from: Captain_Type on May 17, 2013, 09:02:06 AMIt sounds like eventually, backsaving a file for someone who is not cloud based will become impossible. Surely eventually a file will have so many features removed that opening a modern file in something 10 years old will render it less than useful.
On a more positive note, I suppose everyone would be using the same font set, which would cut down on font problems...unless a designer wants to use a non-Adobe font for some reason.
Is that even possible? :homer:
Are you kidding? Almost every day I see a font a customer got from some website. When i ask where they got it, they can't tell me. "Just Google it." Yeah, and then either find the font for a charge or another one with the same name that doesn't look a thing like yours. Then the RIP chokes on it anyway.
9 times out of ten I find them on dafont.
That or MyFonts. It's an adventure finding some of them, though.
Heheheh. Yes, I was kidding. I thought the Homer would give it away for sure.
The auto update thing is a huge mistake. Adobe, large as they are, can not test every environment variable and it WILL cause issues somewhere. I like having the freedom of choice seeing as we do live in the land of the "free".
As far as I understand it, you can change your settings so that it doesn't auto update your software.
I sure hope so. Issues in computing are hard enough without silent updates throwing a wrench into things.