Die/cutter PDF

frailer · October 07, 2011, 04:11:24 AM

We get a few of these, label/stickers with Spot cutter image overlay. But need to use imposed PDF for sending out to finishers.
Currently am deleting all image other than the Spot cutter image, which can be tedious.
Is there a way in PSP to select/move the Spot to another layer, and somehow delete the rest in one or 2 moves? In the past I think I've Separated colours, but that feels old hat now.

Damn... why didn't I think of it. Coulda Placed in Indy, maybe turned off colours in Ink Manager? At home so can't test. I may be dreamin' :undecided:

Joe · October 07, 2011, 08:59:41 AM

You can probably create an action but I would need a file to test it on.

Ear · October 07, 2011, 10:31:59 AM

You say you have to send out imposed PDF? Can't you just add an Export PDF stage in your job flow in XMF and tell it to send a spot-only sep PDF to a hot folder? That way you don't have to mess with it at all, let the workflow do the work.

David · October 07, 2011, 11:11:37 AM

We export Imposed die files from our Esko system as a PDF. Just select the die color sep and export. I then have to open the PDF in Illy because the die people here can't use any thing newer than Illustrator 10.
I save it out as an V10 .eps to email out from there.
Don't need to do any edits to it, but I do outline any fonts that may be there (job id, etc, no critical text).

born2print · October 07, 2011, 11:32:42 AM

HTH, we make an imposed PDF from Prinergy of just the DIE separation. With some of our vendors, that's it.

Vendors with older CAD software however, we have to open the PDF in Illy and carefully delete 1-2 million unwanted elements then save as v8 .ai - if we don't delete the elements (even though they're color is None) the .ai file grows in MB exponentially, prolly due to image data in the file that gets un-portablized.

G_Town · October 07, 2011, 11:50:15 AM

Quote from: born2print on October 07, 2011, 11:32:42 AMHTH, we make an imposed PDF from Prinergy of just the DIE separation. With some of our vendors, that's it.

Vendors with older CAD software however, we have to open the PDF in Illy and carefully delete 1-2 million unwanted elements then save as v8 .ai - if we don't delete the elements (even though they're color is None) the .ai file grows in MB exponentially, prolly due to image data in the file that gets un-portablized.

We send PDF with the die line and embossing or stamping, we make our own dies in house.

frailer · October 07, 2011, 01:22:12 PM

Quote from: Earendil on October 07, 2011, 10:31:59 AMYou say you have to send out imposed PDF? Can't you just add an Export PDF stage in your job flow in XMF and tell it to send a spot-only sep PDF to a hot folder? That way you don't have to mess with it at all, let the workflow do the work.

Well, if it's there, I certainly haven't been told, and I've not done the trawling to find it in Help. But if you can do it, no reason I can't. Shall be looking Monday, and emailing local Fuji guy. Been led to believe so far you can Export a PDF, but not individual seps. :undecided:

t-pat · October 07, 2011, 01:37:33 PM

lately I've been exporting the die as a separate pdf, I always put them on a separate layer, impose that same as the art, remove all the marks and print out of prinergy to pdf. Seems to cut down on the complaints from the converters about extra things in the file.

born2print · October 07, 2011, 01:45:36 PM

Quote from: t-pat on October 07, 2011, 01:37:33 PMlately I've been exporting the die as a separate pdf, I always put them on a separate layer, impose that same as the art, remove all the marks and print out of prinergy to pdf. Seems to cut down on the complaints from the converters about extra things in the file.

That is a benefit, the only problem is the separate refined data and impo makes it hard to prove position / fit... ooooh, I bet you can make a VPS of the 4/c and a VPS of the die and open the 5 VPS files together to prove position?

Farabomb · October 07, 2011, 02:09:28 PM

Quote from: born2print on October 07, 2011, 01:45:36 PM
Quote from: t-pat on October 07, 2011, 01:37:33 PMlately I've been exporting the die as a separate pdf, I always put them on a separate layer, impose that same as the art, remove all the marks and print out of prinergy to pdf. Seems to cut down on the complaints from the converters about extra things in the file.
That is a benefit, the only problem is the separate refined data and impo makes it hard to prove position / fit... ooooh, I bet you can make a VPS of the 4/c and a VPS of the die and open the 5 VPS files together to prove position?

Yup, do it all the time here for dies and spot varns.

t-pat · October 07, 2011, 02:19:54 PM

I do one file with the everything (art, die, etcetera) with the die color set up in prinergy as dieline so it overprints, for proofing/checking and a separate die only pdf for the diecutters.

DigiCorn · October 07, 2011, 02:22:40 PM

That's what I do in Rampage

frailer · October 07, 2011, 04:25:02 PM

Anyone know the answer to my earlier pondering... Could I Place that (supplied, with cutter-lin in place, to me), in Indy, turn off process cols in Ink Mgr., then Export with Spot only? Or am I dreamin'? At home... can't test.

t-pat · October 07, 2011, 04:29:32 PM

Frailer, no. Can't alias process to anything or turn them off in Ink Manager. You may export to something as seps I guess... Simpler to do it like corn and I do, really.

OR if you're determined to leave the die alone in the photoshop file (why it's in photoshop I won't even ask, or maybe I'm not even reading it right, lol) you can turn off the other layers in the photoshop file in Indesign under Object Layer Options - may be a good workaround for you.

David · October 07, 2011, 04:42:00 PM

Frailer, if the die lines are in a spot color, yes, you can print seps from Indesign, but if exporting to another PDF, it will not do seps.

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