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« on: August 11, 2010, 11:54:25 AM »
I'm in the middle of the install and training on Xenith Sierra. We are migrating from Xenith Xitron Extreme. So far, I'm really liking it. It looks almost exactly like XMF. I even saw a couple of Fuji references when going through settings. Looks like a clone or something.
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2010, 12:21:10 PM »
Cool. New stuff is always fun to play with. Until the higher ups ruin it by wanting actual work done.
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 02:10:03 PM »
Has the training rep punched you in the face yet? He's probably getting close...
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2010, 04:35:17 PM »
You know Gnub, when you're looking up from the bottom, all you can see is assholes. Maybe you just need to change your perspective.  :tongue:

The training rep loves me. We had a jolly good time. He's competent too. See, perspective.  :kiss:
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2010, 04:51:42 PM »
Anyway... Training is complete.

The only drawback I have found with Sierra so far is the built-in imposition. It seems to be in it's infancy, compared to Preps. The current version lacks the ability to create multi-web signatures for on-line, web finishing. It has standard templates that are called patterns. This is lame. It would be fine for basic sheetfed jobs but will not cut it in the web world. They have an upgrade coming out soon that is supposed to fix this and become more web press compliant... we'll see.

For now, on multi-web jobs such as high page count tabs and things like 48 page signatures, I have to print a JDF out of preps, at which point I can add it as a template to Sierra. This removes any dynamic template features but it gets the job done, so I guess it'll work for now.
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2010, 05:23:55 PM »
keepin' it clean folks...
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2010, 05:33:00 PM »
oops  :embarrassed: Thanks Dave, forgot we weren't in the bar. Sorry.
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2010, 05:37:58 PM »
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2010, 05:31:27 AM »
OK, the question I asked in another thread is partially answered here. Must be an OEM arrangement with FFEI. BTW, XMF v3 is out. It will only run on Intel, on the Mac side. Am guessing it may have some web upgrade stuff, which will filter your way, presumably. Looks like JDF is your saviour here though.
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2010, 03:49:00 PM »
Wow. PS into the JDF workflow? Lame. You can also send "fat" files from preps, if you had to but it's a groaner putting full-res files into Preps. Reminds me of the old PSM days... hit preview and go to lunch.  :rolleyes:

I tried to not do the whole "Preps can do..." thing with the trainer. I found the XMF imposition to be pretty cool actually. There are a few things Preps will do that XMF simply won't, like web-press impos FFS, but they're supposed to have that fixed real soon. My Sierra rep said he'd get it to us early so I can try to break it.  :grin:
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2010, 04:52:49 PM »
Alright... now my problem is with the licenses. I have my dongle and have PAID for the workflow and all licenses but the licenses keep crapping out on me. Fucking Adobe decided to attach licensing to every little task and it's causing me to ditch the new workflow and fire back up on the old one until I can get a web-ex in the morning. PDF engine, tiff export to platesetter and proofer each require licenses. Mine are valid. The install tech wrestled with this for a couple days and now I'm having problems with it.

Seriously, is it me or are there that many "Tiff-Pirates" looking to download illegal 1-bit tiffs to secret platesetters? C'mon Adobe, knock the shit off and let me get to work, you have your money.




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Re: Sierra
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2010, 05:25:52 PM »

Alright... now my problem is with the licenses. I have my dongle and have PAID for the workflow and all licenses but the licenses keep crapping out on me. Fucking Adobe decided to attach licensing to every little task and it's causing me to ditch the new workflow and fire back up on the old one until I can get a web-ex in the morning. PDF engine, tiff export to platesetter and proofer each require licenses. Mine are valid. The install tech wrestled with this for a couple days and now I'm having problems with it.

Seriously, is it me or are there that many "Tiff-Pirates" looking to download illegal 1-bit tiffs to secret platesetters? C'mon Adobe, knock the shit off and let me get to work, you have your money.

I tend to forget that Adobe Licensing prolly runs in background of XMF.  :shocked:  Must ask about that. Not sure why it would, though. Wouldn't FFEI, in my case, have pre-licensed what's required? Why would the end-user customer have to even think about it? Or am I naive? The latter, I suspect.
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2010, 05:33:13 PM »


Alright... now my problem is with the licenses. I have my dongle and have PAID for the workflow and all licenses but the licenses keep crapping out on me. Fucking Adobe decided to attach licensing to every little task and it's causing me to ditch the new workflow and fire back up on the old one until I can get a web-ex in the morning. PDF engine, tiff export to platesetter and proofer each require licenses. Mine are valid. The install tech wrestled with this for a couple days and now I'm having problems with it.

Seriously, is it me or are there that many "Tiff-Pirates" looking to download illegal 1-bit tiffs to secret platesetters? C'mon Adobe, knock the shit off and let me get to work, you have your money.

I tend to forget that Adobe Licensing prolly runs in background of XMF.  :shocked:  Must ask about that. Not sure why it would, though. Wouldn't FFEI, in my case, have pre-licensed what's required? Why would the end-user customer have to even think about it? Or am I naive? The latter, I suspect.
All I know is, I have had just enough experience with Adobe's cursed FLEXNet 3rd party Licensing  :police: to be very afraid for you.   :sad:


Absolutely... Adobe licensing runs behind all things Adobe. Your workflow is basically the same as mine with an Adobe Core. Any time you send a 1-bit tiff to your platesetter, it must pass Adobe license... same with proofers and even the PDF normalizer stage.

I just talked to the tech and we'll get it squared away, but it's a PITA, for sure. He said it has only gotten bad in the last year, so you may have gotten your install b4 Adobe went total license-nazi.
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2010, 07:02:58 PM »
Well, we are due for XMF v3 major upgrade. Forewarned...   :rolleyes:
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Re: Sierra
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2010, 07:20:52 PM »
Danger.
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