I wonder if anyone has ever managed to mirror guides in InDesign. For example, you've laid out a complex pocket folder or something like that.... you do the front one on board then want to "mirror" those guides to work on the back. Professor Google does not seem to know.
Now that would be a nice upgrade. I do not think you can do that. The closest is to put guides on master page so they appear on all pages but that is not what we're after...
I suppose you can make "guides" that are actually lines, on a locked layer, group it dupe it and flop it.
I do that, not for guides but for whole jobs to backup. We don't have much in the way of imposition software here. You duplicate the front layout then flip the whole thing then relink the back pages of the pdfs and then flip the content of them. Kooky, but it's a lot easier than doing it manually. If you don't understand what I am saying, I totally understand! ;D
I bet someone in this big wide world has made a script for doing this. Could be wrong though.
You can kind of do it. Create a 2 page non-facing document where page 1 is the front and page 2 is the back. On your master page create the guides for the front. They will show up on both pages. Now select page 2 in your pages pallet. Right click page 2 and go to Page Attributes ===> Rotate Spread View ===> 180°. It will flip your guides on page 2 to mirror them with page one. That is all I tried and didn't take it any further by adding content to the pages to make sure it all comes out right but hey...the guides are mirrored on page 2.
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Hmmm, wow. Must try this out when they stop harassing me here. You are free to take the afternoon nap today then Joe.
:D
Thanks I am already getting a bit sleepy. :sleepy:
won't the pdf that you make automatically flip back it's 180°?
I think we use this method on a job we produce monthly that has the backup upside down and that's what happens.
No idea. I quit when I got the guides mirrored. I'm retired so didn't have ambition to finish testing. ;D
Quote from: madbugger on October 12, 2022, 12:55:30 PMwon't the pdf that you make automatically flip back it's 180°?
I think we use this method on a job we produce monthly that has the backup upside down and that's what happens.
If it does when placing the content maybe you could just rotate it 180 degrees and then it would be right side up when it reverts back 180 degrees.
Needs more testing.
I have a script for that. I can send it tomorrow when I get back to the office.
See? God bless the scripters! Hope it works, can't wait to give it a go!
Quote from: madbugger on October 12, 2022, 12:55:30 PMwon't the pdf that you make automatically flip back it's 180°?
I think we use this method on a job we produce monthly that has the backup upside down and that's what happens.
Yes it appears that p2 is correct except it is rotated 180° at output. You would need to manually rotate the page 2 PDF 180°.
Or use the script above when it is posted. ;D
Looking forward to trying the script, but the rotation solution sounds promising as well.
Learning, trying new things, this is the bliss of prepress at its best. The downside is all the other crap you have to deal with.
This script is not something I wrote. I found it years, and years ago on a german scripting site and used google to translate the dialogs.
Pretty easy to use once you place the script in your scripting panel
Select the guides you want to copy and run it
A dialog will ask you what page you want to copy them to
Choose mirrored or normal
If you have additional layers, you can choose which layer the guides are copied to
Hope it helps
Download Copy Guides Script (https://files.emprinting.com/_gE4JgvUwcBgNgR)
Works great! Thanks for sharing.
works like a champ!
Thanks!
Where has this been all my life! Game changer, brilliant.....and it's been available since 2010??
I am so glad I asked the question!
Thanks lots! ;D
And the copying to layers function is great too. They should have sold this to Adobe years ago, would have made my life a lot easier. Cheers!
Company in Tennessee?
:o
https://emprinting.com/
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 13, 2022, 10:07:20 AMCompany in Tennessee?
:o
https://emprinting.com/
Yep, a suburb or Memphis.
Thanks Pabney!!
So you can manually do this in InDesign too. For example if you have panels of 5" x 8", 5" x 8", and 4" x 8" (just to simplify the numbers) Your document would be 14" x 8". Your guide on page 1 would be at 5" and 10". The back would need the guide to be at 4" and 9". If you select both guide on page 1 and copy and then go to page 2 and paste and while the guides on page 2 are still selected change the X coordinate from 5" to 4" and presto...the guide are mirrored.
Or use the script Pabney posted. ;D
I figure I'd be like using the script fer sure. :o
I like the script, putting it into my folder I noticed my scripts were being used by 2020&2021 indy folders
I had to go fix that, still seeing another set of scripts from somewhere, even tho I deleted those folders
Maybe it will be all fixed tomorrow! ;D
Tomorrow sometimes fixes things, sometimes not.
Quote from: Joe on October 13, 2022, 12:06:41 PMSo you can manually do this in InDesign too. For example if you have panels of 5" x 8", 5" x 8", and 4" x 8" (just to simplify the numbers) Your document would be 14" x 8". Your guide on page 1 would be at 5" and 10". The back would need the guide to be at 4" and 9". If you select both guide on page 1 and copy and then go to page 2 and paste and while the guides on page 2 are still selected change the X coordinate from 5" to 4" and presto...the guide are mirrored.
Or use the script Pabney posted. ;D
Is this a joke? I can't wrap my head around how this method would be easily functional. Oh well, 2 more years and I too could possibly be retired. Looking forward to the afternoon naps. >:( ;D
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 13, 2022, 04:43:36 PMQuote from: Joe on October 13, 2022, 12:06:41 PMSo you can manually do this in InDesign too. For example if you have panels of 5" x 8", 5" x 8", and 4" x 8" (just to simplify the numbers) Your document would be 14" x 8". Your guide on page 1 would be at 5" and 10". The back would need the guide to be at 4" and 9". If you select both guide on page 1 and copy and then go to page 2 and paste and while the guides on page 2 are still selected change the X coordinate from 5" to 4" and presto...the guide are mirrored.
Or use the script Pabney posted. ;D
Is this a joke? I can't wrap my head around how this method would be easily functional. Oh well, 2 more years and I too could possibly be retired. Looking forward to the afternoon naps. >:( ;D
No joke. It works.
Create the guides on P1. Select all guides. Copy. Paste into Page 2. Change X coordinate. Easy. (But the script is easier)
Hmmm, can't seem to get that to work. But then again I was never thought of as the sharpest tool in the shed.
I will stick to the script, it's a no brainer!
It's all in the math, so your basically flopping it
If we wanted to do math we wouldn't need the script Joe! ;D
Oh, it's all in the "flop" is it? I will try once more.
so if you have a 1" guide on the left to mirror it, it will be 1" from the right
Quote from: Tracy on October 14, 2022, 09:40:36 AMIt's all in the math, so your basically flopping it
If we wanted to do math we wouldn't need the script Joe! ;D
Math is your friend.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 14, 2022, 09:34:22 AMHmmm, can't seem to get that to work. But then again I was never thought of as the sharpest tool in the shed.
QuoteSo you can manually do this in InDesign too. For example if you have panels of 5" x 8", 5" x 8", and 4" x 8" (just to simplify the numbers) Your document would be 14" x 8". Your guide on page 1 would be at 5" and 10".
As I said in my example above. Document is 14" wide. First guide on front is at 5" and and the other is at 10" meaning the guide at 10" is 4" from the right side and the guide at 5" from left is 9" from the right. That means your guides on the back needs to be at 4" and 9" from the left. So when you select both guides on the front and copy and then paste them on the back they are still selected and you can see that they are at the same position as the front. 5" and 10" from the left.
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Now change the X coordinate to 4" and it will move both of them. The first to 4" and the other to 9".
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As I said to Tracy...math is your friend. :P
It is doing the same thing the script does only the script does the math for you.
Am i losing my mind? I am just not getting it. Okay, so you have a 14 inch board. One guide is at 7 inches. There are 6 more guides to the right of it spaced one inch apart. Can it be flopped in this scenario? I am not a member of Mensa but am considered smarter than the average bear. (at least my mom thought so)
Yes. Select all guides and copy and then paste to the back page and change X coordinate from 7" to 1". (I think anyway. Not at my computer right now to try)
Just checked. It works.
Okay, when i get back to the sweatshop on monday i will give it a go and it might sink into my thick skull. I am envisioning that the whole lot of guides go left and off the board. That's what was happening when i experimented earlier.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 14, 2022, 03:25:23 PMI am envisioning that the whole lot of guides go left and off the board. That's what was happening when i experimented earlier.
When you paste it is doing that?
Not when pasting when changing the x coordinates.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 14, 2022, 04:20:17 PMNot when pasting when changing the x coordinates.
Make sure your reference point is set to upper left. Also when you are changing the X coordinate the guides are still selected right?
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Okay, the weekend is happening, i will get to it on monday, thanks for all the provisions for a special needs student. ;D
make sure your pasting in place
GOT IT! THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE ALL! ;D
I live by X & Y coordinates, started years ago when I was a CAD operator, everything was in X, Y or Z numbers. Got used to using 4 decimal places as well.
I never really trusted guides, since the can be put anywhere, with no actual precision. Even with that, I use guides all the time.
Quote from: David on October 17, 2022, 10:46:09 AMI live by X & Y coordinates, started years ago when I was a CAD operator, everything was in X, Y or Z numbers. Got used to using 4 decimal places as well.
I never really trusted guides, since the can be put anywhere, with no actual precision. Even with that, I use guides all the time.
InDesign guides have x coordinates. You can type in the exact coordinates you want. Like 6.8375" That is usually how I create my guides so it is precise instead of just close by eyeballing. Prepressers that eyeball things annoys me.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 17, 2022, 10:35:56 AMGOT IT! THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE ALL! ;D
Now during end of the world times you know how to mirror your guides when the script is no longer available on the planet.
Scripts are for sissies! Reminds me of kids that can't tell you what 6 x 7 equals unless they have a calculator. :rotf:
:gom:
I was thinking that myself. End of world times is possible....or on a brighter note, what if an update of Indesign renders the script useless. Well, there's a backup now!
Artificial intelligence will seriously degrade human intelligence in time. 6 x 7 = 42 by the way. (had to check it with the calculator to be sure! haha)
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 17, 2022, 11:00:44 AM6 x 7 = 42 by the way.
Correct. Now Evaluate the following expression
(without using Google)a) (3 + 2i) - (8 - 5i)
2i? What the hell is "i".
(drumroll.....punchline?)
The letter between h and j. ;D
It's the square root of -1... hence an imaginary number... whatever the hell they're good for?
I still don't know how I got though my one high school class of algebra. I never understood any part of it.
Lol, my bane was trigonometry. I took it 3 times.
I got a D, then a C in high school, then a B in Jr. College.
I think it has something to do with circles??
when I was a CAD operator, I learned more about trig than I did in school.
had to figure out the x/y coordinates of a point on a circle
:o
That makes sense, needing it vs being force fed. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Joe on October 17, 2022, 10:53:17 AMInDesign guides have x coordinates. You can type in the exact coordinates you want. Like 6.8375" That is usually how I create my guides so it is precise instead of just close by eyeballing. Prepressers that eyeball things annoys me.
Probably my biggest pissoff, lazy designer %$#@s who don't use coordinates to create borders, picture boxes, type boxes etc.
I soon fix that with any new designer that joins our workforce, they very quickly get sick of having to redo their artwork on every job once it is signed off and hits platemaking. I just keep sending it back until it's fixed.
None of this .25, .5 or .75 of a mm bullshit either, use whole numbers, (there are 25.4 to an inch, so full mm are a small enough increment for anyone), and our paper sizes are predominately full mm, so get it right from the start.
Triggers my CDO (OCD for you others, I've gotta have the letters in the correct order ;D) something fierce. Wanna push my buttons, that is how you do it.
I'm an xy coordinate girl I would think most prepressers are because were tedious ;D
Quote from: Joe on October 17, 2022, 11:59:32 AMThe letter between h and j. ;D
Oh, that hurts :huh:
I also use the built in calculator In InDesign and Pitstop dialog boxes. Perfect Bound cover @ 8.125x10.875 with a .25" spine just enter in the Indesign width box 8.125+.25+8.125 and it does the math for you. Pitstop boxes work the same way.
Quote from: Joe on October 17, 2022, 03:17:14 PMI also use the built in calculator In InDesign and Pitstop dialog boxes. Perfect Bound cover @ 8.125x10.875 with a .25" spine just enter in the Indesign width box 8.125+.25+8.125 and it does the math for you. Pitstop boxes work the same way.
oh yeah, I do that in Illustrator, Indesign and Pitstop all the time, best thing since sliced bread!
it does addition, subtraction and divides as well!
8)
I worked with a bunch of hooligans that never used it. I'd watch them get their calculator out and get it all added up. Drove me batty.
Got the script, got the math, life is good, thanks!
Quote from: madbugger on October 17, 2022, 02:32:50 PMProbably my biggest pissoff, lazy designer %$#@s who don't use coordinates to create borders, picture boxes, type boxes etc.
What about random crap left way off on the paste board? Even picture boxes with missing links?
A sure sign of a professional designer for sure. ;)
Quote from: scottrsimons on October 18, 2022, 06:06:41 AMQuote from: madbugger on October 17, 2022, 02:32:50 PMProbably my biggest pissoff, lazy designer %$#@s who don't use coordinates to create borders, picture boxes, type boxes etc.
What about random crap left way off on the paste board? Even picture boxes with missing links?
A sure sign of a professional designer for sure. ;)
Oh wow! Don't get me started! :drunk3:
OMG
open an Indesign file to a bunch of missing links...
zoom way out and the pasteboard is covered in empty text boxes and missing images
I love to delete stuff, got nothing better to do with my spare time
::)
When using InDesign a lot I made a habit to do that...zoom way out, select everything on pasteboard and delete. Do it for every page in the document. You know what would make a great script? Select everything that is fully on the pasteboard on all pages and delete. Get busy scripters!
Yeah I use all the math boxes too! ;D
Did you know you can select something and put inches in the percentage box and it will scale that way?
you have to type inches after your size for example if you wanted something scaled to 2.25 you type "2.25 inches" in the percentage box, so cool.
see Joe we don't need calculators! ;D
ha ha or a percentage wheel
you can also convert inches to MM and vice versa.
If your prefs are set to Inches, just type in 6mm in the box and it will convert to inches.
Use this all the time, some of our customers spec their files in MM or pixels, I was so happy when I found out this tip. Saves me tons of time not having to look up to convert one to another.
Hey! I didn't know that, I have googled MM to inches ;D
Quote from: David on October 18, 2022, 08:00:47 AMyou can also convert inches to MM and vice versa.
If your prefs are set to Inches, just type in 6mm in the box and it will convert to inches.
Use this all the time, some of our customers spec their files in MM or pixels, I was so happy when I found out this tip. Saves me tons of time not having to look up to convert one to another.
Yes that is great if you have to get on a computer that a neanderthal uses that still uses pica's. :death:
Quote from: Joe on October 18, 2022, 07:45:57 AMSelect everything that is fully on the pasteboard on all pages and delete. Get busy scripters!
Here ya go.
https://files.emprinting.com/_pR5RIjckhBBN0R
Quote from: Joe on October 17, 2022, 03:30:06 PMI worked with a bunch of hooligans that never used it. I'd watch them get their calculator out and get it all added up. Drove me batty.
I do it so much, I am shocked when an app
doesn't do it
Quote from: pabney on October 18, 2022, 09:33:41 AMQuote from: Joe on October 18, 2022, 07:45:57 AMSelect everything that is fully on the pasteboard on all pages and delete. Get busy scripters!
Here ya go.
https://files.emprinting.com/_pR5RIjckhBBN0R
Man it is just like make a wish and it will come true! Thanks pabney!
that script works like a champ!!!
thanks a ton pabney!
You have helped a ton with these scripts, you have also been a great help to me on several occasions.
Cheers!!!
Thanks for the cleanup script Pabney! that mirror script is going to be helpful for trifolds and a bunch of other stuff! ;D
Quote from: Joe on October 18, 2022, 08:48:54 AMQuote from: David on October 18, 2022, 08:00:47 AMyou can also convert inches to MM and vice versa.
If your prefs are set to Inches, just type in 6mm in the box and it will convert to inches.
Use this all the time, some of our customers spec their files in MM or pixels, I was so happy when I found out this tip. Saves me tons of time not having to look up to convert one to another.
Yes that is great if you have to get on a computer that a neanderthal uses that still uses pica's. :death:
"picas." C:-) Plural. More than one. Not possessive, with the apostrophe.
You have been issued a warning by the grammar police.
Still waiting for a job using agates or ciceros. (Spelling might be off). Why are these units even in there? Must be a reason but i have yet to run into it.
Cicero
In typography, a unit of horizontal measurement used in continental Europe to measure type. One cicero equals 0.178 inch (4.51 mm) or 6 Didot points. See Didot Point and Point System. A cicero is also called a Didot pica.agateAn agate is a unit of typographical measure. It is approximately 5 1/2 points (1/14 inch or 1.814 mm). It can refer to either the height of a line of type, or to a font that is 5.5 points. An Agate font is commonly used to display statistical data or legal notices in newspapers. It is considered to be the smallest point size that can be printed on newsprint and remain legible.There you go then. Totally useless information.
Didot point? Really?
Quote from: DigiCorn on October 18, 2022, 02:24:17 PMQuote from: Joe on October 18, 2022, 08:48:54 AMQuote from: David on October 18, 2022, 08:00:47 AMyou can also convert inches to MM and vice versa.
If your prefs are set to Inches, just type in 6mm in the box and it will convert to inches.
Use this all the time, some of our customers spec their files in MM or pixels, I was so happy when I found out this tip. Saves me tons of time not having to look up to convert one to another.
Yes that is great if you have to get on a computer that a neanderthal uses that still uses pica's. :death:
"picas." C:-) Plural. More than one. Not possessive, with the apostrophe.
You have been issued a warning by the grammar police.
Auto correct did it I swear. You'll never take me alive!
Auto correct is bad AI.
My pica pole has agate on one side, inches on the other, and "6&12 PT." on both... so why is it a pica pole? jus' sayin :shrug:
Pica Pole, Pica Pole, Pica Pole ;D
nice ring to it, That's what I call mine
Picas and points came up on Jeopardy! last night.
Found these in my toolbox. From 25yrs ago when I was hand combining film. Haven't been used in that long, but can't bring myself to throw them out, you never know, I might need them one day ;D ;D ;D
Type gauge and a stipple angle indicator.
;D I can't throw that stuff out either, I got all my wheels! I think I have the screen identifier thingy too
Still have an array of different cutters, swivel knives etc for cutting rubylith film. They are totally useless for any other purpose, they take up 2 drawers in my 4 drawer tool box but same again, might need them one day.
Do they still even make rubylith? ;D
Plus a bunch of different stripping pins and pin bars, again, haven't been used for 25 yrs.
And the safety lockout keys for 3 different film/plate setters that have long gone to scrap.
Starting to think I might have a bit of a problem. ;D ;D ;D
I still have my 3 drawer Craftsman toolbox with alllll my stripping tools. Mech pencils, film scribers, x-acto knives, red tape, several different loupes, Rapidio pens (spelling?) and multiple points, grease pencils, non-repro blue pencils, rulers in 100ths (12" and a 24" scale),
percentage wheel, red & black opaque and several sable brushes, register pins (tall & short, use the short when combining film so not to break the glass, tall ones when plating)....
oh man, I need to clean out
:yuck2:
I still have a Plano tackle box full of all the stuff. Why not keep it?
In fact, I still use my linescreen finder regularly.
On the other hand, I could probably toss some stuff... like the opaque! ;D
David, I'm feeling your pain. ;D
Oh shite, put up a real photo in profile, in my 63rd year and lookin it! May have to revert to a cartoon!
Prepress has been belly, belly hard on me!
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 19, 2022, 04:08:19 PMOh shite, put up a real photo in profile, in my 63rd year and lookin it! May have to revert to a cartoon!
You're still a youngster! Man I wish I was 63 again.
Quote from: pspdfppdfxhd on October 19, 2022, 04:08:19 PMOh shite, put up a real photo in profile, in my 63rd year and lookin it! May have to revert to a cartoon!
Got 5 and a bit years before l get there
Quote from: pabney on October 18, 2022, 09:33:41 AMQuote from: Joe on October 18, 2022, 07:45:57 AMSelect everything that is fully on the pasteboard on all pages and delete. Get busy scripters!
Here ya go.
https://files.emprinting.com/_pR5RIjckhBBN0R
Super duper – thanks!!