OK, forget the colour bar sitting in the wrong place. I can back-track that. Not sure why no page images on the "printed" PDF from Dyna. Something simple, no doubt. Have just placed the same PDFx8, for the exercise.
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BTW, dontcha just love photobucket. Thanks for the tip, whoever it was.
...staring at those images, I'm wondering if I just needed to "update", or something. I can feel a Homer comin' on... ::)
I think looking from the 4 up screen test shot there appears to be no page numbers in your imposition.
Number your pages 1 to whatever you need and you should see the pages in the PDF.
On the color bar, you just need to rotate it 90 degrees before you place.
Page numbers looks like a damn good start, Santa! Shall try when I get a chance. :-[
All good. Glad to shed a little light.
Well, guess what, Santa! Hadn't paginated, had I. Worked OK after that. Noticed you gotta be pretty careful in the Output/Print area, too, to specify PDF. Seems you need to cover a couple of bases there. Need to be able to number outside the trim area, too. Have got a copy of the "workaround" from Dyna Central. Looks fiddly, but as long as it's gonna work.
Also gotta get a handle on templates. In PREPS you have imposition templates which you just serially add to the list; just by clicking "Add" till you get however many you want. Guess it's the same somewhere in Dyna. Might go onto prepresstraining.com and check it out again.
Thanks :)
Quote from: frailer on October 24, 2007, 02:58:33 AMWell, guess what, Santa! Hadn't paginated, had I. Worked OK after that. Noticed you gotta be pretty careful in the Output/Print area, too, to specify PDF. Seems you need to cover a couple of bases there. Need to be able to number outside the trim area, too. Have got a copy of the "workaround" from Dyna Central. Looks fiddly, but as long as it's gonna work.
Also gotta get a handle on templates. In PREPS you have imposition templates which you just serially add to the list; just by clicking "Add" till you get however many you want. Guess it's the same somewhere in Dyna. Might go onto prepresstraining.com and check it out again.
Thanks :)
Pssssst...go back to Preps!
Quote from: Joe on October 24, 2007, 03:38:46 AMQuote from: frailer on October 24, 2007, 02:58:33 AMWell, guess what, Santa! Hadn't paginated, had I. Worked OK after that. Noticed you gotta be pretty careful in the Output/Print area, too, to specify PDF. Seems you need to cover a couple of bases there. Need to be able to number outside the trim area, too. Have got a copy of the "workaround" from Dyna Central. Looks fiddly, but as long as it's gonna work.
Also gotta get a handle on templates. In PREPS you have imposition templates which you just serially add to the list; just by clicking "Add" till you get however many you want. Guess it's the same somewhere in Dyna. Might go onto prepresstraining.com and check it out again.
Thanks :)
Pssssst...go back to Preps!
I AGREE. But unfortunately I made my own bed by switching from Preps (Post Scenic Soft) to dynastrip :-[ when we went CTP (Everything had to be new!!!!) Anyway we now have two seats and have made it work, but there are some things about Dynastrip that drive me crazy, like importing color bars, not being able to see the files modified date in the run list (did that link update or not?) and the fact that since 10.4 OS update my saved templates have a very large tendency to disappear.
But it does get the work out and once you get the hang of it you can get things to fly.
Yeah, wouldn't argue, joe, but it's sitting there as a second impo app. Same deal; we got ours with CTP. Dunno why, but they seem to have a tie-in with major vendor "workflows".[IMHO one of the most over-hyped expressions in prepress]. This way, if I can get a handle on it, won't have to disturb other op. and be able to impo>RIP from same seat. Worth the effort. PREPS is pretty much the bench-mark it seems. If ImpoStrip didn't have the problems with support and apparent bugs, it's got the best interface of all 3. But too risky, I'd say.
Yeah, I was kidding (halfway). Nexus tried really hard to get us to switch from Preps to Dynastrip when we got Odystar. They said it integrated with it better than Preps. They sent a tech in to convert (show us how) to convert our Preps templates to Dynastrip whatever they call them. We have hundreds of them all using smartmarks. Well Dynastrip don't do smartmarks so we were going to have to remake the marks on all of those templates. We decided against that. That was the end of our Dynastrip experience.
been toying with this [D/Strip], a bit more. I'll get there, no worries. But is it just me, or is there no overall logic to the interface? It's as though there were 10 different developers in 10 different rooms, and they all got together at the end to staple it together as an impo app. Pretty crappy GUI. Or is it me?
As to all those instantly generated files: yeech! I swear I had half a desktop full in an instant when I saved a template, [least I think it was a template...]. Bundled'em in a folder ASAP. ::)
Sorry, a sort of mild Dyna Rant...
To those kind souls who posted Dyna Tips here; finally got a test job out. Colour bars+page numbers printing just outside the bleed. Woo-hoo!
Must say I do like PDF in/out. Printed a 40pp A4 job in seconds. Sure is a quirky app, though. Get used to it, I suppose.
So now I can look forward to it "losing" templates, right? Can't wait. ::)
Frailer:
You hit it on the head.
I like to refer to it as my "sychzophrenic" friend. Three years later I've learned some cool things on it, but it still is very buggy.
Santa, any do's/don'ts on bringing in templates? What a roundabout rigmarole! Gotta be in the "sheet" panel, right? Then click on Import Template icon; navigate to template which has been previously saved to the [Templates] Folder. Trouble is, I'm getting greyed out stuff often. Must be missing a step. Sheesh, you've been tooling with it 3 years! Better start "pacing" myself. LOL ;D
Shall post some screen shots if I still keep tripping...BTW, can see how it could work pretty well once used to it.
To be honest, we gave up on templates. Mostly because we area two man pre-press shop and I just never had the time to figure it out. Training was during our CTP system install and brief at best. Mostly what we do is after we build a common job, say a 12 pager, 16 pager, 9 x 12 pocket folder, we re-save the job into a folder we call "templates" and then just open that job, bring in the links we need and then re-save as the job number.
So, just checking, when you re-open the old job, you just remove the previously imported files; then bring in your new ones? Kinda like you would in a manually imposed Indy job. [except you actually can save an .indt file there anyway].
Thanks for getting back. :D
You got it. :-[
Hey santa, first live Dyna job out this evening. A simple 32pp mono, but hey, ya gotta crawl first. Still wrestling with printing Page numbers outside of trim, [use text tags>pagenm...or something similar]. Still not sure about changing the notations in the text tag for outputting a different version...say replacing 3 pages of the 8, then renaming. I want the text tag to ID the new job...where do you change that field before you reprint?
The bit I REALLY like is printing from PDF in> PDF out. Zap! I can't wait to kiss PostScript's arse goodbye. :P
frailer mi amigo:
there are no simple jobs with dynastrip ;D
Under the object tool bar there is the text tag tool which it sounds like you found.
there is a variables tab and that should give you the extension you need than you can just save it as "outside pages #'s" or whatever and than you can select and place with cursor.
there may be an easier way, but this is what I do.
here is a screen capture as well.
Thanks for the reality check...I was getting over-excited; how embarrassment, Effie! [sorry, Aussie comedy show]. Thanks too for the screen shot. Have been "groping" around in there. Bit like Tutenkamen's Tomb, really.
One thing, if I could. Today, when I tried to substitute 3 pages into a signature, I got them in the right place OK, but it threw pages that weren't supposed to change, somewhere else. Tried it every which way but loose. The Fuji people here reckon it's not flaky, [Dyna-not my job], but others say otherwise. Tried answering yes and no to the question about "custom pagination" at print-out time. Didn't sem to make any diff. Shall pursue it further next week.
Your from Australia? well the first thing you have to do is rotate your mouse 180 degrees ;) (bad American Humor)
onto pages...
could be many things, naming issue may be one , dyna has settings somewhere (not sure where Pitman handled this on install) where it says how many charecters it reads in the links and sometimes your job number + page numbers get too long like 2756887pg12, it might drop off the 2 so pages start flipping.
Also when you place the links into the run list there is "add" or "add with options" where you can choose exactly where to place the file and if it's static or not.
Most important thing I can tell you is DO NOT save your file with the full res preview of your signature on. This has a tendancy to not save your file and then when you go too look for it later it's gone.
File won't crash or anything spectacular if you do save it with the previoew on, it's just we found a 50-50 chance the job template really did not save. So last save should always be with the preview off.
If you loose a template for some reason we found they sometimes end up in a "recued File" folder that's in the Dyna Appp folder.
Enjoy!!!!
Gotta go in tomorrow; press running "critically late" job. While I'm there, gonna try and do a tricky impo manually [semi...sorta], in Dyna. Shall try and use Flatwork/one side visibilty. reckon I can bring in the 8 pp. 1 at a time, with Options, and have the pages "paginated" beforehand. Then print that 8. Open the PDF, quick check. Remove file & run list; bring in next 8... etc.
Might take an hour, but am convinced I can't even do this in PREPS without it wanting to be a Binding Style. Have posted in the PREPS area, if you wanna have a look at the job detail. Will let you know how I go. i'll be chuffed if it works! :-\
frailer,
you can do flat work in Preps too. Just an FYI...
Yeah, was having a re-think on that...after posting. :-[ But, just to get this one out this time, a [semi] manual impo's gonna be a bit quicker/easier in Dyna, I think. Partly cos I've got used to that aspect of it.
Not critical, but Santa, or anyone...Is this an example of Template flakiness...that only 1 sig comes in? Swear I saved all 3 as a Template.
The shot with the single sig is the attempt to "Import Template".
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Hey frailer,
I've never seen that before, but i was given some insight from a Dyna tech person that some of this may be related to "Apples spotlight search engine"
I got this from Dyna gram
"They say that there is a strong probability that your problems with DynaStrip might have something to do with Apple's Spotlight search engine. This is a common malfunction related to Mac which interferes with DynaStrip and many other programs on the market. To resolve the problem, follow these steps:
Go in the Apple menu and select System preferences.
Select Spotlight and click on Privacy tab.
Click on the add button (+) and select the entire DynaStrip application folder. Note: If you have any other working versions of DynaStrip on that computer, select them also.
This procedure will prevent Spotlight from searching anything related to DynaStrip and interfere with the application.
If cutting DynaStrip from Spotlight's radar doesn't work, the problem might be related to antivirus interference. Try disabling your antivirus program."
Not sure if this is what is causing your problem but it's all I got!!!!
Hope you had a great New Year Frailer!!!!
Thanks Santa, shall look into it today. Trust you had a great one too!
Did the "Privacy" thing anyway, Santa. Nothing to lose.
Some progress, though. Each sheet was saved as a Template; placed in same folder. I could then select all 3, and thus end up with the impo required.
Shall see if I can find that fine detail in the PDF manual. Could be expecting too much...maybe this is how it does it.
Shall leave you alone for a while after this...promise. :D
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Thanks again Santa. Finally came to grips with Template creation...more help from Prepress Training than the manual, TBH. Yeah..it's templates via sheets, of course... ::) :-[.
If I can avoid your "disappearing templates" problem, I should be up and running. Here's hoping. Might have time tomorrow, [slight lull], to build a Library of our common page sizes/impos. Now that'd be progress!
It's sure ain't an intuitive program, though...like Save to Library...ya gotta click on the impo [WTF]...well I have got it open there, haven't I? ::)
At last got "Apply Pagination" to work, as well...another little breakthrough. Cheers.
Nice Frailer, I think you have eclipsed my knowledge already and I've been on it for 4 years.
Back to the Training Manuals myself!!!
:-[
Yeah, well...I'd only consider myself as just left the "confused zone"...no more! But that still feels OK, mind... :D
My next query will be why it has restrictions on where you can place a work and turn section. PREPS doesn't quibble about that. I've got a feeling that V5.x may have addressed this, not before time if it has.
What I do like is that PDF in> PDF out thing, [though am aware that PREPS can do that as well...]. Once you've got the basics set up, I love the way it prints the Sigs...zap. All ready for Print Engine upgrade...in my dreams, at the moment. Fuji have just set up a site in our city; they're working on training them into it right now. Will be interesting to see how they like it.
...anyways...you've been an invaluable help in my "WTF-am-I-doing" phase of Dyna... ;D
Thanks Frailer!!!
Peace