in that is SUCKS.
Piss poor selection of fonts available for print and most of what is there does not contain the whole set. For example most only contain regular and bold or regular and italic. I think I can find most of them as freeware fonts. Adobe leads you to believe that you have access to the entire Adobe Font Library. Not even close. But they will generously sell you the Adobe Font Folio library for a cool $3K.
And we have a "team" account for our 14 users. Each account is only allowed to have 100 typekit fonts synced at a time. A regular iteration of a typeface is one, a bold version would be two etc...
What a RIPOFF Adobe! Guess we'll keep trying to use our postscript fonts that were created in the early 90's. :death:
Since I can't really run CC to it's full potential yet, I have not had to use Typekit. My co-worker has, and it's a complete nightmare. With all the font resources around, and all the crap out there, it seems to me, that one more place to get fonts is utterly absurd. I'm not a huge fan of cloud-based apps... it just convolutes the process that much more. So, what happens when you get the typical catalog or magazine with 400 fonts? Output one page at a time? Jesus Christ!!!
Desingers love flashy new apps and cluttering up space with life-changing text, (give me a break.) So now, Adobe has accommodated them with another way to make our jobs that much more complicated. I have to access typekit instead of a simple fonts folder and that just goes to show... Adobe cares more about creating shit, than actually reproducing that same shit.
Where's the Gnub with her famous line when you need her?
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 11, 2014, 05:57:34 PMSince I can't really run CC to it's full potential yet, I have not had to use Typekit. My co-worker has, and it's a complete nightmare. With all the font resources around, and all the crap out there, it seems to me, that one more place to get fonts is utterly absurd. I'm not a huge fan of cloud-based apps... it just convolutes the process that much more. So, what happens when you get the typical catalog or magazine with 400 fonts? Output one page at a time? Jesus Christ!!!
Desingers love flashy new apps and cluttering up space with life-changing text, (give me a break.) So now, Adobe has accommodated them with another way to make our jobs that much more complicated. I have to access typekit instead of a simple fonts folder and that just goes to show... Adobe cares more about creating shit, than actually reproducing that same shit.
Where's the Gnub with her famous line when you need her?
I'll tell you what Adobe will tell you to do. Bastards! Only $400 per month per user to maximize your life changing fonts. :sarcasm:
WOW! I'm starting to agree with F-Bomb about the life changing. :shoots_self:
I'm kind of glad Gnub ain't here right now... she would lamb-baste me on some of my grammatical errors. It's been a while. :laugh:
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 11, 2014, 05:57:34 PMSince I can't really run CC to it's full potential yet, I have not had to use Typekit. My co-worker has, and it's a complete nightmare.
I'll step in for Gnub - your first instance of "it's" should really be "its" since it is possessive. Using the apostrophe makes it a contraction for "it is" as you have properly done in the second instance of the above quote. :wink:
Quote from: DCurry on July 12, 2014, 11:20:49 AMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 11, 2014, 05:57:34 PMSince I can't really run CC to it's full potential yet, I have not had to use Typekit. My co-worker has, and it's a complete nightmare.
I'll step in for Gnub - your first instance of "it's" should really be "its" since it is possessive. Using the apostrophe makes it a contraction for "it is" as you have properly done in the second instance of the above quote. :wink:
Yes, I know. Thank you, SOOOO much for that. :tongue:
It will take me a little bit to get back into the swing of things. Minus writing for myself, I haven't had to write posts or type anything of length in a long time; it seems like an eternity. I appreciate the lesson I have had hammered into my skull since day one on here, and thank you for taking up for the Gnub. I miss her.
Asshole. :hello:
Glad to be of service.
By the way, can I have your shirt?
Quote from: DCurry on July 12, 2014, 12:21:01 PMGlad to be of service.
By the way, can I have your shirt?
Of course. PM me your address.
I presume that if you go package a InDesign document, that it will NOT package any Typekit fonts?
Would that mean that when a client sends us a InDesign file that we would need Typekit from our CC?
Quote from: Syphon on July 13, 2014, 09:31:38 AMI presume that if you go package a InDesign document, that it will NOT package any Typekit fonts?
Would that mean that when a client sends us a InDesign file that we would need Typekit from our CC?
Yep.
Jeezuz. I think it's time I jumped and pulled the rip-cord. :sad:
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 13, 2014, 10:48:24 AMQuote from: Syphon on July 13, 2014, 09:31:38 AMI presume that if you go package a InDesign document, that it will NOT package any Typekit fonts?
Would that mean that when a client sends us a InDesign file that we would need Typekit from our CC?
Yep.
And when we balk and tell the clients to supply the fonts "normally" then what? We haven't seen any Typekit dependent jobs yet, but I guess it's only a matter of time. Over my pay grade to worry about too, wo - whatevs!
Quote from: Slappy on July 13, 2014, 08:35:15 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 13, 2014, 10:48:24 AMQuote from: Syphon on July 13, 2014, 09:31:38 AMI presume that if you go package a InDesign document, that it will NOT package any Typekit fonts?
Would that mean that when a client sends us a InDesign file that we would need Typekit from our CC?
Yep.
And when we balk and tell the clients to supply the fonts "normally" then what? We haven't seen any Typekit dependent jobs yet, but I guess it's only a matter of time. Over my pay grade to worry about too, wo - whatevs!
Yes, Slappy... it's coming, sooner than later. There will be no supplying fonts, "normally".
Just for my own peace of mind I created an ID document and packaged it. It will NOT package typekit fonts.
Quote from: Joe on July 13, 2014, 11:33:21 PMJust for my own peace of mind I created an ID document and packaged it. It will NOT package typekit fonts.
Am assuming they will Embed on Export, if set that way. :undecided:
What the hell is typekit? I'm at CS4 and have no expectations of upgrading because I don't deal with client files. Sounds like an effing nightmare. Is this some font utility to go with CC?
It is font syncing service Adobe includes with Creative Cloud. The fonts reside on the cloud and you can use them in the Adobe Apps. There are around 1,000 desktop fonts and 4,200 for web use included with CC...not typefaces which means a regular, bold, italic, and bold italic version of a typeface counts as 4 fonts. And although there are 1,000 available you can only have 100 synced at a time. Unless you want to pay the extortion fee to have more (See post #3 of this thread for the extortion price list). You can still buy the Adobe Font Folio library for $3,000 though. I remember when it was over $10,000. What a deal. :sarcasm:
Quote from: frailer on July 14, 2014, 12:15:31 AMQuote from: Joe on July 13, 2014, 11:33:21 PMJust for my own peace of mind I created an ID document and packaged it. It will NOT package typekit fonts.
Am assuming they will Embed on Export, if set that way. :undecided:
Well I haven't tried it but I assume so. But it is Adobe though.
Adobe assumes a lot about the ability of desinger producing a printable PDF.
And I just got over my reoccurring nightmares involving fonts.
Quote from: Joe on July 14, 2014, 08:10:06 AMIt is font syncing service Adobe includes with Creative Cloud. The fonts reside on the cloud and you can use them in the Adobe Apps. There are around 1,000 desktop fonts and 4,200 for web use included with CC...not typefaces which means a regular, bold, italic, and bold italic version of a typeface counts as 4 fonts. And although there are 1,000 available you can only have 100 synced at a time. Unless you want to pay the extortion fee to have more (See post #3 of this thread for the extortion price list). You can still buy the Adobe Font Folio library for $3,000 though. I remember when it was over $10,000. What a deal. :sarcasm:
It "includes" the service? Does that mean you HAVE to use it?
No you don't have too. But I'll bet most designers will.
Ugh, so many new young designers without proper training. You can't barely blame them, these design teachers know nothing about prepress or font management. One intern I had working was copying and pasting back and forth from Illustrator to InDesign, because that's what her "awesome" graphic design professor taught her.
WOW! That is absolutely unbelievable. So, are you telling me that Prepress can't be taught?
Not by an idiot it can't.
...and the world is full of 'em.
I don't think they teach prepress at all in a cert class or college programs. What they should do is intern them all out to print shops, not design agencies.
Quote from: Designia on July 14, 2014, 12:58:10 PMI don't think they teach prepress at all in a cert class or college programs. What they should do is intern them all out to print shops, not design agencies.
Agreed. That would at least weed out 98% of them. A tour in the bindery would also be pretty beneficial. The 1% left will be okay, IF they can acclimate to a prison mentality.
Oh god, I don't mean for them to WORK in one! Good lord, I wouldn't wish that on ANYONE. :grin:
I just mean to intern to get an understanding of prepress before they become designers.
And, if you use TypeKit fonts for a web page, guess what happens to that page once you drop your CC subscription?
Quote from: Designia on July 14, 2014, 01:31:31 PMOh god, I don't mean for them to WORK in one! Good lord, I wouldn't wish that on ANYONE. :grin:
I just mean to intern to get an understanding of prepress before they become designers.
Print shops ARE paid prison.
Prison can feel like home, if it is all you know. Some of us have been part of the system so long, we wouldn't do well outside the walls.
Amen, brother
...and pass the soap!
Yeah, what do they call that? Institutionalized!
Quote from: born2print on July 14, 2014, 02:22:40 PM...and pass the soap!
oops.. dropped it. Can you pick it up for me?
Quote from: Possum on July 14, 2014, 02:24:10 PMYeah, what do they call that? Institutionalized!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoF_a0-7xVQ&feature=kp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoF_a0-7xVQ&feature=kp)
The Shawshank Imposition. Cool Hand Loupe.
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 11, 2014, 05:57:34 PMWhere's the Gnub with her famous line when you need her?
Doomed?
That's why I got out. I'm in the death business now, and business is pretty good.
Quote from: gnubler on July 14, 2014, 04:16:53 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on July 11, 2014, 05:57:34 PMWhere's the Gnub with her famous line when you need her?
Doomed?
That's why I got out. I'm in the death business now, and business is pretty good.
Death business? Please do tell!
and thanks, Megadeth references always appreciated.
I do work for a casket shoppe, and for the first time in my life I find myself wanting to get into sales to really saturate the market with this product. Each sale means one less person on this rock!
Too cool, you take one for a ride yet? :grin:
I keep hoping for the opportunity to deliver a casket using my truck. If that happens, there will be pics.
YES! :laugh:
Well, here's someone doing their part to help:
http://www.newser.com/story/190930/man-runs-into-fire-at-burning-man-knockoff.html (http://www.newser.com/story/190930/man-runs-into-fire-at-burning-man-knockoff.html)
Quote from: gnubler on July 14, 2014, 04:24:46 PMI do work for a casket shoppe, and for the first time in my life I find myself wanting to get into sales to really saturate the market with this product. Each sale means one less person on this rock!
Lucky. I wanted to be a mortician when I was a kid.
I used to help my father put in lifts for caskets in funeral homes. I've seen too many dead bodies for a young kid.
I will say the people that worked in funeral homes were great. They would answer any question I had and would even teach me. Now watching the brain fall out of the skull, slide down the table and into a bucket was a little much but strangely it really didn't bother me.
Prolly would have bothered you if they had missed the bucket. Splat!
Oh, it made a splat when it hit the bucket.
At least that's one job that will never disappear.
I've just had my first experience with Typekit and already wish it would disappear forever.
I'm opening a pdf in Illustrator, and it said it could sync that ONE font. Ok, cool.
But from the spinning wheel it looks like it might take a week to ten days.
Which fargin' cloud are they going to, anyway?
:death:
Quote from: Gutnbg on July 15, 2014, 06:02:23 PMI've just had my first experience with Typekit and already wish it would disappear forever.
I'm opening a pdf in Illustrator, and it said it could sync that ONE font. Ok, cool.
But from the spinning wheel it looks like it might take a week to ten days.
Which fargin' cloud are they going to, anyway?
:death:
I think I see the problem. :laugh:
I didn't have a good copy of Word or Publisher, so I opened it in Adobe. :cheesy:
*Opening a file in its non-native program is never my favorite workaround; it bugs the **** out of me.
Quote from: Gutnbg on July 15, 2014, 06:42:57 PMI didn't have a good copy of Word or Publisher, so I opened it in Adobe. :cheesy:
*Opening a file in its non-native program is never my favorite workaround; it bugs the **** out of me.
"good copy of Word or Publisher"? That is as elusive as "political integrity"! :laugh:
One of my NEW favorite oxymorons is "Job Fair."
There are two ways of looking at that, and neither of them works out right.
1. Is there going to be cotton candy at the expo center?
2. Do the good guys always win and the bad guys always lose, based on individual or departmental merits wherever you work?
Joe, I went back to check. Son of a gun, this customer actually DID send an Indy file to go with their pdf. (Will wonders never cease?)
Oh well, the press is running again, and everything is corrected now except the "untouchable" customer original.
When I worked with another incarnation of the Web shop we do covers for I was forbidden to touch the customer's file. No edits, even if it was total shit.
I now work with basically the same people, just different management. I get sent files constantly to unfuck now. As long as the overall look is the same, they are happy.
And they have a "prepress" department. More like an imposition department. I had to teach them how to make spreads from single pages FFS.
A "fair" is where people go to eat, drink, and be merry (aka drink). It has nothing to do with submitting yourself as a new slave for the machine doing useless tasks on a daily basis for little reward.
Sometimes I'm tempted to show up at local job fairs and just fuck up everyone's day, so the recruiters return to their owners a bit dismayed and say "I don't want to do that again." lol
If you do, video that. I would love to see the fallen look on their faces when you piss in their cornflakes.
I dread every time I get a InDesign file with fonts from Typekit.
The fonts almost never sync and have to turn off and on the font sync to get it to work. :banghead: