[edit - moved from embedding in pdf thread]
Is there a way to change the type of embedding? We have an old, old digital press and if the embedding is Identity-H, all we get is garbage. Therefore, we must convert all Identity-H to outlines and redistill down to Acrobat 5 or lower (our version of SmartBoard is also very old and can only work with Acro 5 or lower)... but when PS outlines, it "fattens" they type, ever so slightly.

Through research, it seems as though Identity-H embedding is the result of a file being converted from CS or CS2 to a higher version before embedding in the pdf. Apparently, CS3 and above does not do Identity-H embedding. The problem we see is that if a customer takes a job that originated below CS3 and makes changes in CS3 or above the same font on the same line can be embedded sectionally, with perhaps only a single word embedded as Identity-H with the rest of the line embedded just fine. If I outline just the Identity-H fonts, one word or one line might appear "bold," as customers describe it.

The solution here is to outline everything, without discriminating, so it all looks the same weight. The problem that creates is that a lot of the books we print regularly are hundreds of pages, resulting in pdf files that become hundreds of MBs and therefore too large for the old, old press to handle. In this case we have to break them up into multiple files, and then marry them together after the run is completed. It can be a pain if you're running hundreds of books.

Any ideas?

Can you post a PDF with the Identity-H fonts?

(I split this from the other topic)

here ya go

According to leonardr at Adobe:

QuoteIf you are having problems with CID fonts, it means you are using a VERY OLD
RIP (or other PDF processing solution).

CID fonts have part of PDF since PDF 1.3 (Acrobat 4). That's over 10 YEARS
that the technology has been part of the standard.

If you have a tool that doesn't support it - RUN(!) do not walk away...

Leonard

And there is this:

QuoteCID or composite fonts are also commonly referred to as \"double-byte fonts\", \"complex fonts\" or \"Asian fonts\". These fonts are typically used to handle writing systems where there are a very large number of characters, such as in Japanese or Chinese writing systems.

So typically you would run into PDF files containing CID fonts for files that are for an Asian market. However, Adobe InDesign typically outputs all fonts as CID fonts if you output directly to PDF instead of going through PostScript.

When these fonts are used in a PDF document, they can use all kinds of specialized encoding systems; but one of the most common you will encounter is called \"Identity-H\".

Typically CID fonts are checked during a preflight process because they cause problems on older RIPs.

Basically the fix for an older RIP is exactly what you are doing already. Convert to postscript and distill.

duh!

But this is why I was asking if Enfocus had a way to re-embed the fonts NOT using Identity-H in the PSP software.

At home now but will check it out with the font guys tomorrow and post.

Quote from: DigiCorn on March 19, 2013, 10:45:14 AMhere ya go

If you remap the TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT font using a Pitstop Global Change to the TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT font on your Mac, mine worked anyway, it will get rid of the CID Identity-H encoding.

yeah... well that's Times. What if it's another font, not so common? That was, after all, just an example....

Quote from: DigiCorn on March 19, 2013, 11:54:52 PMyeah... well that's Times. What if it's another font, not so common? That was, after all, just an example....

Find it. Remap it.

Quote from: DigiCorn on March 19, 2013, 11:54:52 PMyeah... well that's Times. What if it's another font, not so common? That was, after all, just an example....

So I guess you really didn't want to know what works? You were just hoping someone would push the easy button for you?

Can you post a copy of the PDF that we can take a look at, our guys would like to take a closer look at the file that causes the problem.
Also which rip/version are you using?

Quote from: Joe on March 20, 2013, 02:26:54 AM

Quote from: DigiCorn on March 19, 2013, 11:54:52 PMyeah... well that's Times. What if it's another font, not so common? That was, after all, just an example....

So I guess you really didn't want to know what works? You were just hoping someone would push the easy button for you?

Hold on, I got it.

[smg id=801]

 :laugh: 

Quote from: abc on March 19, 2013, 12:37:54 PMAt home now but will check it out with the font guys tomorrow and post.

The link to the PDF is in his 2nd post in this thread.

Got it, missed it, was distracted by the screen shot, will report back