Rampage Workflow

[Tracy]

Well I don't know if you remember the Brisque
It rips traps and creates postcript and then you get a .job
I send the .job to the imagesetter
Preps impos also send as a .job

So what creates the 1 bit tifs?

[Joe]

A .job, as far as I know but I never used Brisque, is a preps imposition file. The Brisque .job file might be the same thing or it might not. I don't know but on the theory that it is...once you have the .job file open in Preps you would print it to a RIP or export .ps or .pjtf or .jdf to send to the RIP. From there the RIP would take over and when ready to output to the platesetter the RIP would separate, screen, and convert to one-bit tif. It sounds like your Trendsetter has a RIP in front of it that takes the .job file and goes and gets the high res pages and converts them at the trendsettter to whatever it needs. Might be a one-bit tiff as G_Town has said he has two of them that uses one-bit tiffs. The simplest method for all of this is to put a tiff catcher at the Trendsetter and then have whatever workflow you get to feed it one-bit tiffs. What kind of file do you place in Preps right now when you impose? PS? PDF? EPS? Something else?

[Tracy]

its postscript

Ok the 1 bit tif is making more sense to me now
So it is possible for my trendsetter to accept 1 bit tif

So your rip is sending pdfs to your imagesetter
where something inbetween is creating the 1 bit tif

thanks Joe!

[Joe]

its postscript

Ok the 1 bit tif is making more sense to me now
So it is possible for my trendsetter to accept 1 bit tif

So your rip is sending pdfs to your imagesetter
where something inbetween is creating the 1 bit tif

thanks Joe!

We feed Prinergy PDF's. It normalizes, traps, color manages, and then imposes them. When we are ready to send to the platesetter, Prinergy generates the screened one-bit tifs and sends them to a tiff catcher on the CTP PC.

G_Town says his Trendsetters use one-bit tif so yes I believe it can use them. Don't be surprised if it's an added expense to make yours able to receive one-bit tiffs as you would definitely need some kind of tiff catcher on the front. And by tiff catcher I mean that it's basically a computer program on a pc with hot folders that your RIP sends the one-bit tiffs to. We have folders for each press (6) as they all use different size plates. The tiff catcher then feeds the one-bit tiffs to the CTP to expose the plate.

[frailer]

its postscript

Ok the 1 bit tif is making more sense to me now
So it is possible for my trendsetter to accept 1 bit tif

So your rip is sending pdfs to your imagesetter
where something inbetween is creating the 1 bit tif

thanks Joe!

We feed Prinergy PDF's. It normalizes, traps, color manages, and then imposes them. When we are ready to send to the platesetter, Prinergy generates the screened one-bit tifs and sends them to a tiff catcher on the CTP PC.

G_Town says his Trendsetters use one-bit tif so yes I believe it can use them. Don't be surprised if it's an added expense to make yours able to receive one-bit tiffs as you would definitely need some kind of tiff catcher on the front. And by tiff catcher I mean that it's basically a computer program on a pc with hot folders that your RIP sends the one-bit tiffs to. We have folders for each press (6) as they all use different size plates. The tiff catcher then feeds the one-bit tiffs to the CTP to expose the plate.

Curious on a couple of things there, Joe. You have to feed Prinergy Templates from PREPS? If you need to change the impo in some way (like adjust gutter width), that means opening that parent Template in PREPS and doing a Save As, then importing back into Prinergy? Curiosity, is all.

On one-bit TIFFs, it has been mentioned that if we needed such output (we don't... all Fuji to 'setter), that it comes 'at a price'. I assume that the PC/TIFF catcher is what they're referring to, and that in most instances that proprietary stuff is owned by the exporter, (Fuji, Kodak, whoever...=  ). Am I reading this right?

[Joe]

Curious on a couple of things there, Joe. You have to feed Prinergy Templates from PREPS? If you need to change the impo in some way (like adjust gutter width), that means opening that parent Template in PREPS and doing a Save As, then importing back into Prinergy? Curiosity, is all.

On one-bit TIFFs, it has been mentioned that if we needed such output (we don't... all Fuji to 'setter), that it comes 'at a price'. I assume that the PC/TIFF catcher is what they're referring to, and that in most instances that proprietary stuff is owned by the exporter, (Fuji, Kodak, whoever...=  ). Am I reading this right?

We specify the Preps template in Prinergy. We don't have to open Preps at all for that. Only if we need to make a change to the template do we have to open Preps. If we do need to, we would modify the template and save it but then we just issue an "Update Imposition" in Prinergy and it will update the imposition with the template changes we made. Our PC and tiff catcher came with our CTP. If their CTP doesn't have one then yes that would be an added expense. Then there is a usually a charge by the RIP maker (Kodak, Fuji, Rampage, etc...) that makes the one-bit tiff for that option. So no, the PC/Tiff catcher does not have to belong to the RIP manufacturer.

[frailer]

Then there is a usually a charge by the RIP maker (Kodak, Fuji, Rampage, etc...) that makes the one-bit tiff for that option. So no, the PC/Tiff catcher does not have to belong to the RIP manufacturer.

Double toll gate. Figures.    :laugh:

[Tracy]

Well I got a 1-bit tif thru to the imagesetter
it was supplied by the rampage people.
my boss is a little excited about rampage
Im really trying to talk him into prinergy

I gave some wrong info to the xitron people on the dpi setting
and their 1-bit tif didn't work, I havn't heard back from them.
I think I messed up on that one.

[Tracy]

what kind of server do rampage users use? :laugh:

[DigiCorn]

what kind of server do rampage users use? :laugh:

The Rampage box itself runs on Windows, as must the server where files are stored. Rampage prefers you have two separate boxes and not RIP files stored on the same box where Rampage resides. The Rampage Client runs on Mac.

You can build your own Rampage box, but Rampage won't support it. That, and from what I hear, it's a real PITA.

The Rampage boxes are built by a company called Proactive Technologies, and run about $5k. Your server can be any server. We just happened to also buy a Proactive Technologies server box as well. Our Rampage is 2 versions behind... almost 3 now and runs Windows 2000 Pro. Our server is a Windows 2k3 server OS. Older Rampage clients ran on OS9, but I think now you need OSX or better, which shouldn't be an issue.

[David]

what kind of server do rampage users use? :laugh:

I prefer tall redheads, but really, any hair color will do...


oh, you mean something different...
NVM


oh yeah, you can use just about anything for a server, old Macs, old PCs (what I have, haha).   And, all of my Servers are Proactive boxes.

[Tracy]

I have windows 2003 server right now
I kinda like the idea of Prinergy coming with a server.
One less thing for me to figure out
Im getting a little stressed, but I will get thru this.

[DigiCorn]

How much are they quoting you for Rampage? Does their quote include the server?

[Tracy]

I can let you know, I will get that info soon
what kind of server do you use?

[DigiCorn]

Our Rampage is v10 and it's on Win 2000 Pro. It's an Intel dual processor Xeon 3.0 Ghz... with a 60G SCSI hard drive that I had to replace once on a very fun-filled day