Here's the article:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2016/06/psa-macos-sierra-drops-support-for-many-macs-from-2007-2008-and-2009/
Not sure it is really that big of a deal. Todays Apple event has to be the most boring event in their history since Steve Jobs came back to Apple. Siri is a nice addition to macOS (formally OS X), but really, how often am I going to use that when in an office place? At home I can see it being a bit more useful for playing music. Being able to use Siri to play what I want is a nice addition. Unless I am missing something calling the iOS update "the mother of all release" seems to be overstating it by a wide margin.
Siri, what's the best way to rid myself of idiotic sales pukes without being arrested?
YAY! Finally, I can tell the boss I NEED to upgrade my 2007 model iMac. :banana:
QuoteThe older hardware had a pretty good run, but it's always sad when the end of a computer's useful life is dictated by Apple rather than by the user who bought the machine.
OK it isn't the end of a computer's life dictated by Apple. No one makes you (the author) upgrade to the latest OS. I hear there are still people running Snow Leopard! :rotf:
QuoteQuoteThe older hardware had a pretty good run, but it's always sad when the end of a computer's useful life is dictated by Apple rather than by the user who bought the machine.
OK it isn't the end of a computer's life dictated by Apple. No one makes you (the author) upgrade to the latest OS. I hear there are still people running Snow Leopard! :rotf:
;)
Hey, Joe, quit laughing at me!
Quote from: Ear on June 13, 2016, 01:15:33 PMQuoteQuoteThe older hardware had a pretty good run, but it's always sad when the end of a computer's useful life is dictated by Apple rather than by the user who bought the machine.
OK it isn't the end of a computer's life dictated by Apple. No one makes you (the author) upgrade to the latest OS. I hear there are still people running Snow Leopard! :rotf:
;)
See?
QuoteSiri on the Mac can be used for searching, blah, blah, blah....
I wonder if the Siri search will actually find anything you are looking for. That would be great update from Spotlight. It sucks mightily.
Quote from: Possum on June 13, 2016, 01:16:13 PMHey, Joe, quit laughing at me!
I would never do that. :angel:
;D
I'm still running 10.6.8 on my home iMac. Oddly enough, I'm getting ready to update it to El Capitan in the next couple weeks anyway. It's a 2009, but I can't remember if it's mid or late so I don't know if it will take Sierra.
It's been a great machine. I've been putting off upgrading because for the most part everything runs fine as is. It's getting a little slow, so I figured might as well bring it up to date and add some RAM while I'm at it. I hope my CS 5 transitions okay! Not sure a re-install attempt would be successful.
Better make sure you can go backwards if you need to. I really have doubts about CS5 running on El Capitan, let alone Sierra.
Quote from: DCurry on June 13, 2016, 01:38:06 PMI'm still running 10.6.8 on my home iMac. Oddly enough, I'm getting ready to update it to El Capitan in the next couple weeks anyway. It's a 2009, but I can't remember if it's mid or late so I don't know if it will take Sierra.
It's been a great machine. I've been putting off upgrading because for the most part everything runs fine as is. It's getting a little slow, so I figured might as well bring it up to date and add some RAM while I'm at it. I hope my CS 5 transitions okay! Not sure a re-install attempt would be successful.
I updated a 2008 iMac to El Capitan running CS6 and it still worked after the upgrade. But I'm pretty sure the computer is slower than it was running Lion.
Edit: I did have to install the old Apple Java 6 runtime before Illustrator would launch but that was no biggie.
Now it looks as though Sierra will have a somewhat different file system. That may make using older software with it harder to do.
My Macs at work are still running 10.4 and 10.5... :old:
Cheers,
John the Fontaholic :drunk3:
We'll start testing with the developer version today, then we'll see what they've broken this time.
This new file system they are talking about sounds like a big change, but that won't be released till next year.
I expect that to break a few things so we'll have to dig into it.
http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/13/apple-file-system-apfs/
Quote from: Possum on June 13, 2016, 01:46:14 PMBetter make sure you can go backwards if you need to. I really have doubts about CS5 running on El Capitan, let alone Sierra.
I know. I have Time Machine, but I don't trust it for this endeavor so I made a separate bootable clone and tested it to make sure I can boot from it. My brother-in-law upgraded to Yosemite a while back and it completely destroyed his Time Machine backup so he lost everything. I've got 13 years of digital photos of my kids so I can't allow that to happen (I do have some offsite backups, but I will update them before proceeding - can't be too careful!)
Quote from: Joe on June 13, 2016, 01:14:00 PMQuoteThe older hardware had a pretty good run, but it's always sad when the end of a computer's useful life is dictated by Apple rather than by the user who bought the machine.
OK it isn't the end of a computer's life dictated by Apple. No one makes you (the author) upgrade to the latest OS. I hear there are still people running Snow Leopard! :rotf:
That's funny, I do remember a post about how one of your windows boxes decided to upgrade to 10 over the weekend.
And people wonder why I shut off auto update on all of my devices.
Thats the thing....I did not have auto update turned on (and never do) when it updated Win 7 to Win 10 overnight. And it has now happened on three different PC's at work. We have some PC's on the presses running Vista. I wish to hell they would auto update. ;D
I've never seen a Mac auto update to the next major release. Yet anyway.
Thanks, that was the first thing I did was shut off auto update on the new Win7 box. If I walked in and it updated to 10 by itself I'd loose my shit.
I think the problem is that Microsoft lists the Win 10 upgrade under 'recommended updates'. When a user shuts down the computer the option to install updates and shutdown is automatically selected. Boom. Next time it is booted up it has Windows 10. I know that has happened on at least two of the PC's that got 'auto' updated.
I shut off all updates. No download in background, no nothing. I'll go around about once a month and update everything manually.
Quote from: Farabomb on June 14, 2016, 08:45:42 AMI shut off all updates. No download in background, no nothing. I'll go around about once a month and update everything manually.
That should work. I have ours set to download but not to update until told. Unfortunately our users do not read anything. Purely click and go. Then claim later they didn't do anything.
Well, if Windows recommends it, of course you go ahead.
:sarcasm:
I had a vendor in here last week installing new software. That's part of the reason I had to get a new box. As she's instructing us on the install and dialogs are coming up she says "just click ok through it all, I never read them". I told her hell no, I'm not blindly clicking. Yeah, there were at least 2 bloatware things jammed in there.
Quote from: Joe on June 13, 2016, 01:14:00 PMQuoteThe older hardware had a pretty good run, but it's always sad when the end of a computer's useful life is dictated by Apple rather than by the user who bought the machine.
OK it isn't the end of a computer's life dictated by Apple. No one makes you (the author) upgrade to the latest OS. I hear there are still people running Snow Leopard! :rotf:
Two machines here running it, old apps that were never updated for the newer OS.
'07-'09 iMac here... today... My new 27", 5k Retina, i7, Flash drive iMac should arrive by Tuesday. :banana: I am standing beside myself
Quote from: Ear on November 18, 2016, 02:47:15 PM'07-'09 iMac here... today... My new 27", 5k Retina, i7, Flash drive iMac should arrive by Tuesday. :banana: I am standing beside myself
Enjoy the new machine! The downside is you will never be able to use a lesser monitor. So sharp and clear!
Between the SSD and the 5k, you can never go back. The drive makes a world of difference.
I went with the smaller (512gb), Flash drive (instead of the Fusion drive), based on stuff I had read... some of it here... about the Flash drive being a lot faster, with the configuration I am getting.
It's a October 2015 release, refurb. Has 16gb of RAM but I'll probably put at least another 16 in. I was reading that this model is capable of accepting 64gb of ram, if configured correctly.
:banana: yay!
Quote from: Ear on November 18, 2016, 03:05:16 PMI went with the smaller (512gb), Flash drive (instead of the Fusion drive), based on stuff I had read... some of it here... about the Flash drive being a lot faster, with the configuration I am getting.
It's a October 2015 release, refurb. Has 16gb of RAM but I'll probably put at least another 16 in. I was reading that this model is capable of accepting 64gb of ram, if configured correctly.
When I bought mine, I maxed everything out but the RAM. Apple is about $100 for RAM, and it is a super easy thing to add yourself. I went with the 1TB flash, and Flash/SSD are a must for any computer I own or use to make my living on. You can have all the great specs in the world, but without SSD it all just starts slowing.
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Quote from: Ear on November 18, 2016, 03:45:09 PM(http://i.imgur.com/y6MZEz2.gif)
That dude went to my high school!
I added another 16gb, for a total of 32gb of RAM. CC was a bit laggy with just 16gb, but it scoots now.
I just put the squeeze on IT and got upgraded to 16GB. Seems no different than 8 but you didn't hear that from me :ninja:
We're running with 8 gb right now and CC is slow as hell. I asked for 6 new 27" Retina iMac's yesterday and to upgrade all existing Macs to 16 gb. Might want to consider making that 32 gb I guess.
I have 16 gb on my Mac now and it seems pretty fast, unless you are doing 10,000 barcodes... :hangme:
Quote from: david on December 02, 2016, 01:17:47 PMI have 16 gb on my Mac now and it seems pretty fast, unless you are doing 10,000 barcodes... :hangme:
A job exactly like that, 60,000 ish barcodes and data merge too, is what made obvious to us that RAM was not the deciding factor on speed. We split it up onto 4 different stations and processor was all that seemed to matter. Faster processor meant around twice as fast or better.
YMMV.
I've been toying with the idea of getting some DDR2 so I can max out my Mboard at home. What's more sad is the max for that MB is 8g, it's that damn old (ASUS Formula SE with a modified rampage formula BIOS (https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/MAXIMUS_FORMULA_SPECIAL_EDITION/))
Still plays all the old games I haven't gotten through so I have no real reason to upgrade. Though a new 5tb HDD will be coming shortly.
OK. Y'all have talked me back down to 16 gb. ;D
I did the RAM myself. I found a 16gb pack (2@8) from OWC for $109. Showed up in 3 days with free shipping. Took a minute to install and it feels faster than 16gb did.... don't know what 8 feels like.
I will say, it boots from cold in 7 seconds and will open Illustrator in 5 seconds (takes a minute and a half on my '09 iMac).
I got the big graphic card too but the refresh feels a little glitchy laggy hangy at times, especially with the Acrobat/PitStop dog and pony show, so, like, WTF...
Do you have a traditional HD, SSD HD, or flash storage in it?
Quote from: born2print on December 02, 2016, 01:36:27 PMQuote from: david on December 02, 2016, 01:17:47 PMI have 16 gb on my Mac now and it seems pretty fast, unless you are doing 10,000 barcodes... :hangme:
A job exactly like that, 60,000 ish barcodes and data merge too, is what made obvious to us that RAM was not the deciding factor on speed. We split it up onto 4 different stations and processor was all that seemed to matter. Faster processor meant around twice as fast or better.
YMMV.
Aside from the processor, did you get to do any comparison on Solid State (flash) hard drive vs a standard ATA drive?
Data is mostly transfer and processing, probably not a lot of RAM necessary, since it isn't actively rendering something, it might not be using even the full 8gb.
Flash storage... which in the system profiler, Apple calls SSD, under Media Type but it is sold as Flash.
Quote from: Ear on December 02, 2016, 04:27:32 PMQuote from: born2print on December 02, 2016, 01:36:27 PMQuote from: david on December 02, 2016, 01:17:47 PMI have 16 gb on my Mac now and it seems pretty fast, unless you are doing 10,000 barcodes... :hangme:
A job exactly like that, 60,000 ish barcodes and data merge too, is what made obvious to us that RAM was not the deciding factor on speed. We split it up onto 4 different stations and processor was all that seemed to matter. Faster processor meant around twice as fast or better.
YMMV.
Aside from the processor, did you get to do any comparison on Solid State (flash) hard drive vs a standard ATA drive?
Data is mostly transfer and processing, probably not a lot of RAM necessary, since it isn't actively rendering something, it might not be using even the full 8gb.
Actually we sort of did, the solid state macs were faster, BUT the standard mac was kinda hammered and has seen a 2-3 fold performance increase after that job (when we wiped it and did fresh install of Yosemite)... but we did not redo that specific test 'cause the job was done (and so were we, lol)
so conclusion, not a conclusive test but we may infer that the type of drive may not have mattered.
maybe.
The difference between an SSD HD and Flash Storage is that an SSD HD is connected via SATA while Flash Storage is through PCIe which makes it faster because PCIe is faster than SATA. That is what I am shooting for too. They usually make us go for the low end of the price spectrum but this time I want an i7 CPU, Retina display, and Flash storage. And as much RAM as I can get. I'm going to shoot for the stars and hope I at least get to the moon.
That's exactly my train of thought. I can put 64 gigs in this thing, but it would be fairly expensive, since I would have to ditch the original 16gb... and the single 16gb sticks are expensive, especially for 4 of them...
I started by building one and getting approval for the full price, around $3400 I think... Then I camped on the refurbished Apple section for 2 days, until I found one that was close. I had already priced the RAM, so I knew my range. Ended up getting what I wanted for $2800 +$109 for RAM and still came out ahead. AND I got Adobe CC on a Black Friday special and did a prepay... saved a couple more bennies. Always helps to come in under what you propose, I think.
BTW... the Adobe Cyber Monday sale ends today, Dec 2. I know it's late notice but I got the FULL Creative Cloud, prepaid year for $480.
... because I also just purchased a MacBook Pro, Flash SD, 15 inch, i7 with a bunch of RAM and the full CC.
Boss' daughter is in her early 20s and really wants to get into the graphic side of the business. They asked me to set her up, so I bought her a fat little production laptop. I told her she needs to spend at least a year doing all of my design tasks before we get into prepress stuff. Chicka is getting set up FAT.
She's a sharp one.... and she is interested, so it should be a hoot. LOLZ Still, it is fun Mac shopping. :afro:
Quote from: Ear on December 02, 2016, 04:20:50 PMdon't know what 8 feels like.
Eight posts people and nobody picked up on this?
:homer:
Not sure if this has been touched on yet, or if this is even a good place for it (have been crazy busy with upgrades n stuff) but it definitely needs to be shared.
My Sierra Workflow (XMF) client on the new Mac OS Sierra would quit allowing admin access, after every job or two. After a day of being annoyed, I asked tech support (gasp) and they showed me a new Mac OS setting called App Nap. It powers down Apps, for energy and performance savings, but it apparently causes a problem with the remote client connection.
Go to Applications and Get Info on the Application (Sierra App in my case). Info shows the evidence of this new devilry, with a button labeled Prevent App Nap... it begs to be clicked. Problem solved. I figured this default might cause problems with other Apps, and possibly even server connections.
Oh, the new improvements (impediments) that they don't tell you about. Just shows you, Apple is all for the average consumer, they don't think about people who actually work for a living and may have to connect stuff to their products.
It sounds like something geared towards a mobile user, rather than desktop.
The new Macbook pro, just like your iPhone but with a keyboard!
Don't forget Thinner!
And no headphone jack.
Quote from: Farabomb on December 28, 2016, 09:18:51 AMAnd no headphone jack.
Now now...the MacBook Pro still has the 3.5 mm headphone jack.
And don't forget that wonderfull invention the Touch Bar. But only if you pay extra.
Just what I needed, a screen for my function keys I barely use. The 2 best things I've seen for it was someone ported Doom onto it and someone else has the lemmings on it. Otherwise, pretty damn useless.
Quote from: Ear on December 27, 2016, 06:18:03 PMNot sure if this has been touched on yet, or if this is even a good place for it (have been crazy busy with upgrades n stuff) but it definitely needs to be shared.
My Sierra Workflow (XMF) client on the new Mac OS Sierra would quit allowing admin access, after every job or two. After a day of being annoyed, I asked tech support (gasp) and they showed me a new Mac OS setting called App Nap. It powers down Apps, for energy and performance savings, but it apparently causes a problem with the remote client connection.
Go to Applications and Get Info on the Application (Sierra App in my case). Info shows the evidence of this new devilry, with a button labeled Prevent App Nap... it begs to be clicked. Problem solved. I figured this default might cause problems with other Apps, and possibly even server connections.
Thanks Ear, I will bookmark for when I upgrade to Sierra
Quote from: Joe on December 02, 2016, 12:53:54 PMWe're running with 8 gb right now and CC is slow as hell. I asked for 6 new 27" Retina iMac's yesterday and to upgrade all existing Macs to 16 gb. Might want to consider making that 32 gb I guess.
Talking to myself I know but...just ordered 6 of these bad boys. Got the order in before years end:
(also getting an extra 8 gb ram from OWC for each of them)
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Nice. I would think about 32g of RAM... although, if it isn't a SSD, it might not matter, since that might be the slowest component, and not the RAM, of a lot of tasks.
I can really see it with batch tasks, heavy read-write stuff. Running scripts and exporting large PDFs... like moments vs minutes, compared to the '09 iMac.
Honestly InDesign is the heaviest stuff we do here and most of our designers are just working on the local paper that is usually 4-6 six or eight page sections and we have been running with 8 GB. So 16 will work oK I think. Of course I would prefer 32 GB but after spending $12.6 K on the new iMacs I can't get greedy on the RAM. All of our Macs, even the new ones coming all have two 4 GB RAM chips in it and to go to 32 GB we would have to remove the two 4's and buy four 8's for each machine. That would be the 6 news ones and the 6 old 27" iMacs. That would add another $2,853 for just RAM upgrades. I would have preferred SSD's also but I got my i7 CPU so I'm happy with the Fusion drives.
Lucky Joe!
When I get the 6 new ones we will now have fourteen 27" iMacs. :)
All but a very few of the 20" and 21.5" iMacs will probably be sold locally.
Upgrades? What's that?
Been reading up about upgrades on the PC side. I've been away for far, far too long. Everything has changed.
Joe, you could have gotten just one computer for the whole department.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXOaCkbt4lI&nohtml5=False
Shhhhhhh...someone might hear you.
Wow...Apple is fast. Ordered them about 5:00 pm yesterday. They shipped from California last night and are going to be delivered today. Then everyone there gets to look at them sitting there in the box until I get back next Tuesday. :evil:
I agree, Joe... you made the right choices. Besides, they are for the dezinerz... daddy still gets the SSD and 32g Ram, right? :mrt:
Well I was on the fence about upgrading, until I saw these two features and they alone pushed me over the edge. I'm installing.
The International Cricket Council?
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Quote from: david on April 05, 2017, 11:53:47 AMThe International Cricket Council?
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That's the sound I heard, instead of laughter, after posting.
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