Supplied in Q. All support files. Square proportioned pages, but specs have changed since GD did it. Page now measures 10mm smaller both ways.
Job not prepress'd yet.
Would you guys:
-scale on Print from Quark
-scale in the impo app.
-Scale the Distilled PDFs of the .ps's.?
My thoughts, if I were to do it, which I'm not, would be to do a Global Change on the single PDF pages. This has worked well before.
Would like your input for future reference.
quick way take the PDf then insert into indesign fit to desired size export new pdf.
yeah what logan said
If you are imposing PDF's I'd scale it in the impo app. But just because I wanted to be different than the others. :tongue:
yeah what joe said
Our workflow necessitates that we proof our RIP'd pages before the imposition step and PitStop is my tool of choice. Do a global scale, save and move on...badaboom!
yeah what tim said
what beer said...
all three times...
we, depending on the project, will either scale on output, scale on input, or scale in the impose file.
whichever gives us the "best" file (depending on the scale factor and what happens to the bleeds and images).
What David said.
Sweet jesus monkey balls. I don't think there have been this many prepress people agreeing on something.....ever.
Wait are those 4 horsemen I see off in the distance?... :machinegun:
what stevinator said
and bugger off copying my "what <insert name here> said" action u guys - it's mine and i aint sharing.
I'd put the Quark pdf in MSWord and email it to the client for alts.
On subject, but more some words of advice rather than a solution.
As with the Capitan 's problemo, there are several reasons why a page or file might need to be scaled. The most common is bleed issues. If you are supplied PDFs, you could use an add bleed action list in Pitstop, or place the file in InDesign or whatever and scale it that way. The problem I see WAYYYY too many times, is when the Desinger pays no attention to not only the bleed, but the "live" area. The area inside a virtual border usually 1/8th of an inch inside the trim. Page numbers, art, folios... scaling a page with this problem just creates more problems when art or text are outside the live area. They are gonna get hacked in the bindery, too much variance. When this occurs, and I get the usual..."Customer is out of town" crap, I take the PDF and place it on a page with the same trim size, then scale it inside the live area, leaving an 1/8th inch white border. I have NEVER had a complaint, and if the customer don't like it, they have the option to fix it... but usually they say nothing. Quick fix that draws the pimple to a head in regards to customer interaction. They can't argue with it, and it kills them. Hahahahaha :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
yeah what dcs said
huh - english humour eh - i dont get it either :tongue:
Quote from: beermonster on October 23, 2008, 08:44:33 AMyeah what dcs said
huh - english humour eh - i dont get it either :tongue:
Hahahaha, I consider myself partly bilingual: UK English, and USA English. Not nearly as proficient as you guys, but I'm getting there.... Now, if I could only stop laughing. Twat... Hahahahahaha.
cucumber sandwich anyone? afternoon tea?
cor blimey guvna - luv a duck apples n pears
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on October 23, 2008, 08:38:29 AMOn subject, but more some words of advice rather than a solution.
As with the Capitan 's problemo, there are several reasons why a page or file might need to be scaled. The most common is bleed issues. If you are supplied PDFs, you could use an add bleed action list in Pitstop, or place the file in InDesign or whatever and scale it that way. The problem I see WAYYYY too many times, is when the Desinger pays no attention to not only the bleed, but the "live" area. The area inside a virtual border usually 1/8th of an inch inside the trim. Page numbers, art, folios... scaling a page with this problem just creates more problems when art or text are outside the live area. They are gonna get hacked in the bindery, too much variance. When this occurs, and I get the usual..."Customer is out of town" crap, I take the PDF and place it on a page with the same trim size, then scale it inside the live area, leaving an 1/8th inch white border. I have NEVER had a complaint, and if the customer don't like it, they have the option to fix it... but usually they say nothing. Quick fix that draws the pimple to a head in regards to customer interaction. They can't argue with it, and it kills them. Hahahahaha :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
I'm a big fan of this method. I usually give them 1/4" white space though.
I do an auto dealer book every week and I can't count the number of times they've been told to supply 1/4" bleed and 1/4" safety from the trim and even supplied them with templates showing exactly how to do it and it still comes in every week with 1/8" bleed (if I'm lucky) and text setting right on the trim. Unfortunately on this book I can't do the reduce pages to non bleed size but I've been tempted. They had the nerve a couple of weeks ago to ask for a price discount because we trimmed off some text that was sitting right on the trim. Uhhhh...no you can't have a price break dipshit!
Quote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on October 23, 2008, 08:38:29 AMthen scale it inside the live area,
I'm all ears; but please give the detail on selecting the "live" area for scaling, for da poor old Capitan. :cheesy:
Quote from: beermonster on October 23, 2008, 08:56:15 AMcucumber sandwich anyone? afternoon tea?
cor blimey guvna - luv a duck apples n pears
what bout'cha..
what you on about?
up an alleyway...
ack fer fuc sake
practicing my Irish English
Quote from: frailer on October 23, 2008, 02:32:42 PMQuote from: DigitalCrapShoveler on October 23, 2008, 08:38:29 AMthen scale it inside the live area,
I'm all ears; but please give the detail on selecting the "live" area for scaling, for da poor old Capitan. :cheesy:
You're gonna hate yourself for asking... Open new InDesign Document at the original trim size of the file. Draw guides an 1/8th of an inch in on all 4 sides. Place the PDF and using the closed arrow, drag the outer perimeter of the PDF to the guides, center the file and fit it to box.
Thanks. And, nup, I never hate myself for asking. Over 60s are exept from stuff like that. I've got a Senior's Card in my back pocket that says: "Wake up each day and be thankful you're alive...and never hate yourself". :laugh:
Quote from: frailer on October 21, 2008, 09:23:55 PMSupplied in Q. All support files. Square proportioned pages, but specs have changed since GD did it. Page now measures 10mm smaller both ways.
Job not prepress'd yet.
Would you guys:
-scale on Print from Quark
-scale in the impo app.
-Scale the Distilled PDFs of the .ps's.?
My thoughts, if I were to do it, which I'm not, would be to do a Global Change on the single PDF pages. This has worked well before.
Would like your input for future reference.
A few questions:
How many pages?
Single pages or readers spreads?
'k to me like 10mm is like 3/8" or so. Do the fancy-pants solutions leave you enough bleed?
Why the goshdarn heck do we end up having to fix fancy-pants designers' poor planning?
Regardless, a few unmentioned possibilities:
1) In Quirk, resize the doc. Group all elements per page; command-option-shift drag to new dimension. Bill 'em or kill 'em.
2) Slip the CSR a fiver to inform the client how much work is involved, an estimate of the cost, but because they're such a valued customer we'll discount the correction. Apply fancy-pants solution A, B, or C.
3) Open bleed in Quirk. Output lasers. Shoot on camera (i liked the Robertson horizontal if available). Locate a dot-etcher for colour corrections. Find source for rubylith or goldenrod. Separate conventionally; build flats w/ chokes & spreads on table. Bill 'em or kill 'em.
Hope This Helps In Future,
dudley
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"English is my only language, and sometimes not even that"
--bobDylan
yo - frailer - dont you be drawing no guides now - nuthin good can come of that - use the margins and colummms under layout in menu bar - seeeeemple