Fix in PSP vs. reExporting

frailer · November 01, 2011, 09:01:17 PM

Anyone feel strongly about this? Am I a grumpy old man with a silly bee in bonnet?
Ad comes in Quack 7.2. Wrong size but proportionally OK. Shows some phantom trim marks, but all page boxes = media (outer), box.
My method:
->Design Layout Panel... snap to detected trims. I happened to have a preset for that size to rectify page boxes.
->EAL... Add Trim Marks.
->GC... Scale to Format.
Ad now OK for XMF.

Compadre's method:
-Place in InDes > resize>reExport.

Are there extra risks in Placing>reExporting? I'll kill the bee if not. :undecided:

Joe · November 02, 2011, 12:14:28 AM

I prefer doing it it in Pitstop. If it was an Indy PDF I would not hesitate to put it into Indy if the need arose. But I'd rather not put a Quark PDF into Indy and make a new one. Who knows what could happen to that?

frailer · November 02, 2011, 01:11:50 AM

My thinking on it too. Toyed with the idea of explaining why, and how to do it. But thought, no...

DCurry · November 02, 2011, 05:15:12 AM

I prefer to fix things "at the source" when possible, rather than refrying. Since the source in this case is the PDF, that's where I'd address it.

As far as placing a Quark PDF in ID, that is far safer than placing an ID PDF into Quark.

Another option I'd consider would be to let the RIP do the scaling. Might not be a good solution in all circumstances, but it would probably be the safest.

frailer · November 02, 2011, 05:20:52 AM

Yep, we can rescale in XMF. Problem is this one will repeat, say, 6~7 times. I'd prefer to throw a fixed one in. TBH, haven't played much with scaling etc within XMF. May give that a test shot tomorrow.

David · November 02, 2011, 07:10:34 AM

I'm with you Frailer, fix the source, it's just easier in the long run.
Bonus, you have a corrected file if you need it for reprints, which is exactly what you'll be needing.

Joe · November 02, 2011, 09:30:53 AM

QuoteI personally do not consider *exporting* a PDF to be "refrying". I think of refrying as going to *PostScript + redistilling*. Exporting a PDF of a placed PDF from InDesign is not in the same class, even more so if one is using a PDF version format that does not flatten.

The above was a post from over at the PP forums and LeonardR from Adobe gave it his blessing that it is indeed not "refrying".

Also agree that it's much safer to place a Quark PDF into Indy than the other way around but I've seen some strange stuff occasionally. I still do it but I check the end result very carefully.

As far as scaling....it can be done in the RIP, in Indy, or with Pitstop.

David · November 02, 2011, 10:19:21 AM

Quote from: Joe on November 02, 2011, 09:30:53 AM
QuoteI personally do not consider *exporting* a PDF to be "refrying". I think of refrying as going to *PostScript + redistilling*. Exporting a PDF of a placed PDF from InDesign is not in the same class, even more so if one is using a PDF version format that does not flatten.

The above was a post from over at the PP forums and LeonardR from Adobe gave it his blessing that it is indeed not "refrying".

Also agree that it's much safer to place a Quark PDF into Indy than the other way around but I've seen some strange stuff occasionally. I still do it but I check the end result very carefully.

As far as scaling....it can be done in the RIP, in Indy, or with Pitstop.

Leonard actually said that? OMG... I think the world has stopped spinning

Joe · November 02, 2011, 10:53:34 AM

Quote from: david on November 02, 2011, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: Joe on November 02, 2011, 09:30:53 AM
QuoteI personally do not consider *exporting* a PDF to be "refrying". I think of refrying as going to *PostScript + redistilling*. Exporting a PDF of a placed PDF from InDesign is not in the same class, even more so if one is using a PDF version format that does not flatten.

The above was a post from over at the PP forums and LeonardR from Adobe gave it his blessing that it is indeed not "refrying".

Also agree that it's much safer to place a Quark PDF into Indy than the other way around but I've seen some strange stuff occasionally. I still do it but I check the end result very carefully.

As far as scaling....it can be done in the RIP, in Indy, or with Pitstop.

Leonard actually said that? OMG... I think the world has stopped spinning

No, he didn't say it but he agreed with it.

David · November 02, 2011, 11:01:39 AM

close enough, and by the way, ILLUSTRATOR IS NOT A PDF EDITOR!!!, in case you didn't know. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

t-pat · November 02, 2011, 11:47:59 AM

Quote from: david on November 02, 2011, 11:01:39 AMclose enough, and by the way, ILLUSTRATOR IS NOT A PDF EDITOR!!!, in case you didn't know. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

my boss disagrees quite often with this, he insists that if it was a pdf created originally in illy, it's an illy file. I've proved him wrong several times but you can't change the dude's mind. Hell, he even just refines the damn illy file directly if that's what he's got without even saving it as a pdf. Thinks they're the same thing.

Joe · November 02, 2011, 12:01:17 PM

According to the Adobe engineers it is okay to edit a PDF in Illustrator that was created in Illustrator as long as it was saved with the "Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilities" option.

DigiCorn · November 02, 2011, 12:40:15 PM

Quote from: Joe on November 02, 2011, 12:01:17 PMAccording to the Adobe engineers it is okay to edit a PDF in Illustrator that was created in Illustrator as long as it was saved with the "Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilities" option.

I will sometimes open a pdf in Illy to extract and save out a logo or other vector art. Just this morning I used it to extract a header from an archived file to replace a header that was a placed jpg in another pdf file. I did have to change the color and the year to match the jpg, but I used Pitstop for that. For some reason, though, Pitstop would not let me copy and replace the header in the normal fashion. It had a raster drop shadow that kept getting screwed up, but once I took into Illy and resaved as a new pdf, it worked.

t-pat · November 02, 2011, 12:48:23 PM

Quote from: Joe on November 02, 2011, 12:01:17 PMAccording to the Adobe engineers it is okay to edit a PDF in Illustrator that was created in Illustrator as long as it was saved with the "Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilities" option.

Sure. How do you know that it has preserve editing on? I've had stuff like different layers be active than what viewed in the pdf.

Joe · November 02, 2011, 12:58:45 PM

Quote from: t-pat on November 02, 2011, 12:48:23 PM
Quote from: Joe on November 02, 2011, 12:01:17 PMAccording to the Adobe engineers it is okay to edit a PDF in Illustrator that was created in Illustrator as long as it was saved with the "Preserve Illustrator Editing Capabilities" option.

Sure. How do you know that it has preserve editing on? I've had stuff like different layers be active than what viewed in the pdf.

Well, you don't unless you created it. Call the person that created it? :laugh:

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