How do you deal with reprint job's in Prinergy?

Started by RMPrepress, February 04, 2025, 09:35:27 AM

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RMPrepress

Looking for some insight on how prinergy users handle exact reprint jobs.

Specifically how do you go about getting new job #'s on old signatures/seperations and imposed PDF's etc.

Curently from workshop we copy the old job if it still lives the jobs or we import from backups if not and rename with new job #.
Then we go to the signatures and right click or command L we import the .job all the way back from the job we just copied. We do that by navigating to the old job from the import job pop up window by going to the jobs folder and opening that previous job from there we go to the Transient Layout folder or the Sysytem/Imposition plan folder and then import the .job we need and rename with new number and choose the existing page set we need and then hit ok and thats it.

Does that make any sense...LOL.  That all happens very quickly although it seems like a lot.
Is that the best way?   It is a must for us to get the file name and slugs on the jobs to have the current job number.

We also know you could right click on the old impo and choose signature selection option and rename the impo there and either choose the existing page set which gives a warning about resetting intent information or create a new page set which would seem to be a dangerous option that also adds another step because you need to now copy the pages in the old page set to that new one.
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born2print

We use Archive to disk, and it backs-up everything.
So we copy to new name (new job #), retrieve, then it's all there - ready to plate or print digi as-is for exact RR.
Or, it's all there, ready for whatever changes to art or imposition or both.
I'm not really understanding why it's necessary for you to do what seems to me to be extra steps?
is it just to get things like the impo renamed?
If so, there's other ways to get around that...
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RMPrepress

Yeah its all about getting the new job # on the files for plating and for the slugs on the plates and the preps slug lines etc.
I know another way is to use a Job name instead of impo name in the preps slug and then editing the process template to use that job name also but that is also a pain and is not always an option if there are multiple impo's in a single job

BTW... love your B52's Planet Claire reference in your profile.
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Joe

Quote from: born2print on February 04, 2025, 10:21:24 AMWe use Archive to disk, and it backs-up everything.
So we copy to new name (new job #), retrieve, then it's all there - ready to plate or print digi as-is for exact RR.
Or, it's all there, ready for whatever changes to art or imposition or both.
I'm not really understanding why it's necessary for you to do what seems to me to be extra steps?
is it just to get things like the impo renamed?
If so, there's other ways to get around that...
I think they want the new job# to appear on the plate identifier info. In that case edit the old impo with the new job number in the name and have it create a new pageset with the new job# if necessary. Once the new pageset is created you can right click on the old pageset and instruct it to copy the pages from the old pageset to the new pageset exactly as they are in the old pageset so there is no danger of getting them wrong in the new pageset. Delete the old impo and pageset if you want to make sure things don't get more confusing down the line.
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RMPrepress

Thanks Joe, so what you are saying I believe is the second option that i originally wrote.
Meaning once you have copied or imported the job and renamed it then you would go to the Signatures and choose the impo that you want to rename and right click edit impostion...

We also know you could right click on the old impo and choose signature selection option and rename the impo there and either choose the existing page set which gives a warning about resetting intent information or create a new page set which would seem to be a dangerous option that also adds another step because you need to now copy the pages in the old page set to that new one.

What would be the concern with not creating a new page set at the point?  what is the warning about resetting intent information all about?
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johnny_jay

We name each job by its Job number. When we have a reprint, we copy the job and use the new number as the new name. Under the job alias we add the info on our ticket that says reprint or reorder.
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Joe

Quote from: RMPrepress on February 04, 2025, 11:16:28 AMWhat would be the concern with not creating a new page set at the point?  what is the warning about resetting intent information all about?
It depends if Prinergy is pulling the info from the imposition or pageset for the plate identifier info. If it takes them from the impo there is no need to create a new pageset other than if the pageset contains the old job number it might be confusing for someone else to come along into the job. Not really sure about the resetting intent information. I always ignored it and did what I wanted. LOL My experience in Prinergy is 3 years old now though so things might have changed that I am unaware of.
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born2print

Quote from: RMPrepress on February 04, 2025, 10:38:11 AMYeah its all about getting the new job # on the files for plating and for the slugs on the plates and the preps slug lines etc.
I know another way is to use a Job name instead of impo name in the preps slug and then editing the process template to use that job name also but that is also a pain and is not always an option if there are multiple impo's in a single job

BTW... love your B52's Planet Claire reference in your profile.
The way we do it is our "form ID" smart mark is populated by the first 5 characters of the job name (as you thought) which is the job #. We name the impo F1 or F2_6 or whatever and that doesn't change. So that's the next part of the smart mark.
So the press sheet ends up saying "##### F2_5 F3 front"
which is the CURRENT job number, the impo name then which part (which is automatically done).
So it tells you job ##### form4A. (the 3rd form of 2-5)
It went ZIP when it moved
And BOP when it stopped
And WHIRRRRRRR when it stood still
I never knew just what it was and I guess I never will

born2print

When we do it more like your way is when we PU F1-4 from that job to be F8-12 of this job, etc... then we import .job from preps folder in the system folder and keep page set blah blah
It went ZIP when it moved
And BOP when it stopped
And WHIRRRRRRR when it stood still
I never knew just what it was and I guess I never will

RMPrepress

Quote from: Joe on February 04, 2025, 11:30:43 AMIt depends if Prinergy is pulling the info from the imposition or pageset for the plate identifier info. If it takes them from the impo there is no need to create a new pageset other than if the pageset contains the old job number it might be confusing for someone else to come along into the job. Not really sure about the resetting intent information. I always ignored it and did what I wanted. LOL My experience in Prinergy is 3 years old now though so things might have changed that I am unaware of.
Yeah, well as of Prinergy 10 I think it was you can rename pagesets, so really there is no need to create another pageset and then copy the old page assignments.  In our case we use the impo name as the identifier on our preps slugs and on our JOB ID's anyway.

I really like born2print's idea on the naming of the impo's being F1 or F2-6 and then the job name getting populated in front of that.
Does that happen on the preps impo slug too as well as the Job ID?
Does the platesetter see it that way too etc?
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born2print

Here's a pic of the smart mark on a press sheet.
You can see it on the plates too, easier than trying to see the slugs at the bottom (processless plates aren't as easy to see things as regular plates)
It went ZIP when it moved
And BOP when it stopped
And WHIRRRRRRR when it stood still
I never knew just what it was and I guess I never will

Joe

Quote from: RMPrepress on February 04, 2025, 12:50:27 PMYeah, well as of Prinergy 10 I think it was you can rename pagesets
OK I upgraded the old workplace to Prinergy 9.something right before I retired. People asked Kodak for years to give us the ability to rename page sets. Good to hear they finally listened. I guess they were just waiting for me to leave. ;D
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Joe

Quote from: born2print on February 04, 2025, 01:43:34 PMHere's a pic of the smart mark on a press sheet.
You can see it on the plates too, easier than trying to see the slugs at the bottom (processless plates aren't as easy to see things as regular plates)
That really is a great way of doing it.
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scottrsimons

Our slug is pulling info from the job and Preps using SmartMark as well.

$[Jobname_offset] Form$[SIG] $[SurfaceName] $[Workstyle] $SheetHeight x $SheetWidth $[Color_offset]

The jobname_offset is pulling the first 6 characters from the jobname. As our job numbers are always 6 digits.

And I set it up a long time ago, and everything was spaced out nicely, but looks like I should mess with it, but no one has complained about it. So I will probably leave it alone.

And this way, even when we do reprints, it pulls all current information.
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DCurry

So if Prinergy lets you rename page sets now, does it also let you change the number of pages in a set? That used to bug me. 
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