XMF Install & Training

[impodave]

How heavy is the cover stock ??  Sounds like a FUN folding project if you intend on folding down from 16 Pages...

[impodave]

No creep required on perfect bound projects, they should stack in position when collated.

[Tracy]

just found out they are folding to 8pg sigs now and then binding. 16pg sigs for this paper was ridiculous
the paper is 80lb cover for the whole book (80pgs and they have an image 1/32 close to the edge
I think I'm ok now, but good to know you can add creep on a split sig

I do get that creep shouldn't be needed in a 16pg sig but If you could see how close to the edge I'm working with and the thick paper.

Help! I'm on the edge :laugh:

[DigiCorn]

yeah - but I think she's thinking if it's a 16-page sig on cover weight stock, it would still experience slight push-out

[Tracy]

that's it.

[Joe]

Can you reduce the image a little?

[Tracy]

Didn't think of that!
with the sigs being folded in 8ths I didn't add creep.
(we have a communication problem here)

I'm done now, shoo wee that was a big job all the die's and the perfs
found out were only running 1000 the rest will be printing in China :rolleyes:

Thanks all! it helps to just being able to have feedback!

[frailer]

Sorry Tracy, I thought you mentioned you had Black Magic.   
On that book, are you talking separate (saddle stitch) sections that are stacked to complete the book? I.e.... Section Sewn? If so, you'll need the overall (measured) creep, ideally, from a mockup of the 16pp. Then do the calculation as per the Creep Video, and apply/switch on/off as Diddler shows. Should be home and hosed.
You'll also need to use 'Assembly Sections', (2nd icon), to separate the nested saddle sections to enable automatic page flow.

[Farabomb]

I don't normally put creep on anything under 50 pages SS. I've never had to creep a PB book but combine a moron designer, thick stock and 16 page forms and maybe it's possible. If the designer is that clueless that there is a element so close that a 8 pg form needs creep please PM me the address, I have a package that needs to be sent. 

http://www.poopsenders.com/

[DigiCorn]

I creep about 20-24 pages and more, depending on paper thickness. If it's 100# text, I start at 20, and 60-80# at 24, but if it's like 20# Bond, I'll let it go maybe as far as 32. We usually do those digitally, so we take a face trim, and I want to make sure shit is outta the way.

[David]

we creep anything over 12 pages

[Tracy]

I actually was going to add creep to the 8pg sigs :laugh:
I talked to the lady at the bindery and she's going to grind extra if needed and watch the edges for me
this 8.5 wide book fits into a 8.562 wide die cut box foldy thing so I couldn't have her overtrim into the bleed

I was pretty much a spas yesterday, Im the one who has to figure the dies and imposition etc..
I got no peeps, well cept you guys :kiss:

[frailer]

I actually was going to add creep to the 8pg sigs :laugh:
I talked to the lady at the bindery and she's going to grind extra if needed and watch the edges for me
this 8.5 wide book fits into a 8.562 wide die cut box foldy thing so I couldn't have her overtrim into the bleed

I was pretty much a spas yesterday, Im the one who has to figure the dies and imposition etc..
I got no peeps, well cept you guys :kiss:

Easy in XMF to create a white/non-print gutter in your Sig. In Sig window>Gutters>l'il hash icon. Set your spine to the required amount, as discussed with Bindery Lady, of course. We often do 2mm.
Gotta make sure your spine Bleeds are set to zero, otherwise there'll be ink there.
You have chosen Perfect Bound up front? Just checkin'    :cheesy:

[Tracy]

selected perfect bind-check!

hmm, didn't know to remove spine bleed
I will check out xmf on that

edit: I see what your saying

[Joe]

It's up to the bindery really about ink in the spine. Some want it. Some don't. Some don't care. The theory is that the glue holds better on plain paper than paper covered in ink.