just wondering if we're going to have any "joy" using our new harlequin rip (version 7) to convert rgb pictures to cmyk pictures. I'm a little scared because our old Apogee system did a terrible job (maybe not setup right) so we did everything at the desktop in Photoshop. Well we can't do that now because of the volume of pictures so we're hoping the rip will do as good of a job as photoshop with the rgb-cmyk coverstion set to U.S. prepress sheetfed coated (or whatever).
I know it's possible as long as it is setup correctly. We let Prinergy convert everything.
i think so too but we haven't even got the rip yet, everyone is nervous about the labor involved in converting thousands of rgb's to cmyk properly but I've stuck my neck out saying we could do it at the rip.
Here are the settings we use...
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on May 13, 2011, 08:49:31 AMi think so too but we haven't even got the rip yet, everyone is nervous about the labor involved in converting thousands of rgb's to cmyk properly but I've stuck my neck out saying we could do it at the rip.
Couldn't you just set up a batch conversion in PS?
dont think thats possibe on pdfs with fonts, graphics, etc. but hey, what the hell do I know about everything?
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on May 13, 2011, 09:56:35 AMdont think thats possibe on pdfs with fonts, graphics, etc. but hey, what the hell do I know about everything?
NVM I thought he was talking about images not PDF's.
jpeg the pdf, then it won't matter.
Quote from: david on May 13, 2011, 01:06:34 PMjpeg the pdf, then it won't matter.
That's what the gnubs would do.
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on May 13, 2011, 09:56:35 AMdont think thats possibe on pdfs with fonts, graphics, etc. but hey, what the hell do I know about everything?
I wrote a lil photoshop batch years ago for a friend who does gang run 4/4 cards and crap jobs, the batch does [everything] to 300dpi cmyk tiff. That probably still is his default workflow.
curious why you got the harlequin rip
we are going to upgrade someday and am just curious about all options
Quote from: G_Town on May 13, 2011, 01:29:49 PMQuote from: david on May 13, 2011, 01:06:34 PMjpeg the pdf, then it won't matter.
That's what the gnubs would do.
I learned that trick on Desktop Publishing Forums.
If it's the latest/new version of HQ, I imagine it would be able to do that properly. Big hole if it can't.
Just looking over at Xitron's site... which one you getting? Navigator RIP? Are you going APPE? leaving PostScript behind? Hope so, for your sake. :undecided:
They're talking PostScrip L3 there.
yeah! which one you gettin?
Quote from: Tracy on May 13, 2011, 01:54:03 PMcurious why you got the harlequin rip
we are going to upgrade someday and am just curious about all options
Just because that's the rip that came with the used SCREEN platesetter, no good reason as far as I know
Bit of a pig-in-a-poke. Good luck. :azn:
think we decided, for now, to do the cmyk conversions before the rip can screw it up. Can be done well exporting the pdf from Indesign and the artists are cooperating with us.
We'll just leave the rip conversions on the back burner for now I suppose.
And it's about a 5 year old Harlequin rip version 7.1 or so which can apparently handle transparency but I'm not sure I'd trust an older rip to do that either.
Ok, you will be in the twilight zone a bit, then, if it's that old. You're treading the safer route. Sounds like it won't be APPE, but I wonder what an upgrade to their APPE might cost, from your version? :undecided: If that's possible, of course. Depending on upgrade cost, (which of course your boss may not want to do), a move to APPE would be good. Many PostScript era issues are just a memory for us now. Trouble is, bosses don't realise the opportunity-cost saving in pp time. And reprint cost...when transparency goes wrong.
Curious. Report back.
I will report back for sure. I'm assuming that the APPE is the adobe print engine?
And..... life would be dull without the postscript woes....I mean how could I live without that sweet frustration? I think many of us just enjoy pain and wouldn't know how to live a stress free life. And I'm not kidding!
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on May 14, 2011, 03:49:37 PMI will report back for sure. I'm assuming that the APPE is the adobe print engine?
And..... life would be dull without the postscript woes....I mean how could I live without that sweet frustration? I think many of us just enjoy pain and wouldn't know how to live a stress free life. And I'm not kidding!
managing OK this end. More time to think about guitars 'n stuff. :laugh: Yeah, that's the no-PostScript Adobe PDF Print Engine, as they like to call it. If it is, you won't know yourself. But it may not be. At that age, it was just starting to enter the market, as I recall. :undecided:
It can definitely handle the RGB to CMYK conversion in the page setups and the color management setu. Not Sure if you need a license for the ICC setup or not. But there is a separations manager where you can set it up like the old PhotoShop custom CMYK settings. I think by default that the HQ RIP will convert to CMY only.
Quote from: frailer on May 15, 2011, 03:15:18 PMMore time to think about guitars 'n stuff.
What kind of stuff? :huh:
Since it's a Harlequin RIP there is no APPE in it. HQ makes their own interpreters. They had a PDF native RIP before Adobe. V7.1 should RIP the pages just fine. You'll have to test though. The v8 RIP is much more efficient and well with the upgrade. If you need a quote on the upgrade let me know or contact Alvaro or Michael at Compose and yellow them I sent you.
I'd forgotten about their independent path on the interpreter. Pspdf may be travelling OK then. :undecided:
Looks like it's a "Navigator 8" rip unless they emailed me the wrong manual.
navigator is Harlequin? No time to check now, have to see later.
yep, it's from Harlequin circa 2008. Maybe we'll have a fighting chance then.
Quote from: pspdfppdfx on May 16, 2011, 10:16:39 AMLooks like it's a "Navigator 8" rip unless they emailed me the wrong manual.
navigator is Harlequin? No time to check now, have to see later.
Yep.
Things just keep getting better and better for you there, pspdsf.... :laugh:
i had the same system - xitron navigator v7 - when we got it it was the latest version. not many issues really - matts right though you might need some kinda "license" to unlock some features in the page set up manager. only ever had minor issues with transparency rendering so it should be ok - i hope! there should be a drop down with a cmyk "profile" dropdown for conversions in there though - i've been away from it for a year now and due to old age i forget :)
i did use compose a few years back and to be honest they were crap. worse than that. we had proofing issues via their express rip and their so called "top boys" couldnt solve it. then they just "forgot" about us and left us to sink. so i'm not a fan of compose.
and one of the original developers of the HQ rip lives about 20 miles from me - does that help?
Beer, the Express RIP is the Harlequin RIP so it shouldn't be "crap". I don't know who you local contacts were but over here in the States Alvaro and Michael are great guys to work with.
the express rip was indeed the hq version and we had the seps recombining proofing solution bit as well (as you can see - i cant remember the damm name)
we had serious colour matching issues and as i said, at the time "they" were crap as opposed to the system. the rip itself was ok - standard hq stuff really - active/held queue etc
it was compose themselves who couldn't/wouldn't help us. and i should qualify that i'm in the u of k :hello:
i had their so called colour "guru's" in my studio for a few days - no improvements, so we binned the compose rip altogether because we were simply left, no calls, no help, no advice no nothing. once bitten and all that....
"color gurus" :laugh:
I would like to know who calls themself that so I can assassinate them.
almost as bad as a "pdf guru"
i have no idea what a fcuking guru is anyway - and i care just slightly less for self awarded genius titles - unless it's prepress god in which case i'm in :)
Well the platesetter came in and it's a Heidleberg topsetter 6100?? They told me it was a SCREEN but I'm assuming it is the same thing maybe. And an AGFA gumming unit.
Doesn't Screen make them and Heidelberg just brands them? We have one, too.
Well that's what I'm guessing and to confuse me even more....... the printed manual says it is Fujifilm.
made in America at Walmart
then shipped up to Canada