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Title: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Repro Man on January 21, 2009, 08:09:46 AM
Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: tiger lil on January 21, 2009, 08:31:55 AM
in michigan it 53m 100y coated or uncoated
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 21, 2009, 08:39:55 AM
Ahhhh, the trick question. There are many answers to that particular spot mix, and it all depends on when.

Pantone the company, about every few years, as scanning technology improves, redoes their Pantone Libraries. The reason is to produce a "better" more accurate process mix. So, in 1998, the spot mix of PMS 021 CV, would be different from todays PMS 021 C. Then you have the different ink sets for different substrates... C, M, U. So, to answer YOUR question, I need to know... do you want the mix for now, and what is the substrate designation? Or, a few years back when everything was still CV, CVU, CVC, etc...?

How are you man? Been awhile.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Repro Man on January 21, 2009, 09:29:24 AM
Arrr! Indeed it is a trick question...
I'd like to know what Pantone's official breakdown is today. I have a client who's insisting it's one thing when my software says it's another. I think their breakdown is out of date but I want to be sure!
And I'm interested to see what every one else thinks.
I don't have the Pantone colour bridge swatch book, only the C, M and U books and Adobe CS2 software...
And I am well! Thanks! Been very busy, as usual! When I get a moment I'll drop you an email to catch up.
Cheers!
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 21, 2009, 09:43:37 AM
Give me a second, I'll give you a breakdown...
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Stiv on January 21, 2009, 09:49:51 AM
INDD CS4

021 C = 0C53M100Y0K
021M = 0C53M100Y0K

QXP 7.5

021 C = 0C68M100Y0K
021 M = 0C68M100Y0K
021 U = 0C68M100Y0K

PM6.5

021 CVC = 0C51M87Y0K
021 CVU = 0C51M87Y0K
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 21, 2009, 10:09:29 AM
A little more...

QXP4 - 51-M, 87-Y
QXP5 - 53-M, 100-Y
QXP6 - 53-M, 100-Y
QXP7 - 68-M, 100-Y
QXP8 - 68-M, 100-Y

InddCS3 - 53-M, 100-Y

PM7 - 51-M, 87-Y

FH8  - 51-M, 87-Y
FHMX - 53-M, 100-Y

AI9 - 51-M, 87-Y
AICS2 - 53-M, 100-Y

Photoshop CS3 and 4, both display 79 - M, 99-Y

See? And thanks Stiv, mine are only based on Coated.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Repro Man on January 21, 2009, 10:18:34 AM
Cheers guys. Any idea what Pantone themselves would recommend at this time? Would be coated.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Stiv on January 21, 2009, 10:21:51 AM
My Color Bridge Coated indicates 68M100Y.

That's what I would use.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: beck on January 21, 2009, 10:23:20 AM
Our Pantone Color Bridge book calls for 0C68M100Y0K.
Book was new 12/26/08
beck
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 21, 2009, 10:36:48 AM

Cheers guys. Any idea what Pantone themselves would recommend at this time? Would be coated.


Pantone themselves would recommend the absolute newest library. So Indd CS4, with the values 53-M, 100-Y for Coated. If you are arguing with a customer or associate, THIS is the ammo you need. Changing colors with different apps at different times. Frustrating.

Okay, Beck's color bridge book is also valid. Which would back Quark's color current color set. It's up to you... Quark has ALWAYS been on top of the whole Pantone thing... I might steer that way.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Stiv on January 21, 2009, 10:46:55 AM
Now in practice I use what the App has given me. The whole "When in Rome.." thing.

If I have a PDF with a spot and I'm RIPping to CMYK, I use what Rampage defines it as.

If When I get a PDF or file with multiple spots of the same color, I take a shot of Jack and choose.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: tapdn on January 21, 2009, 10:54:15 AM
I gave up on that debate and, like Stiv just let Preps handle the whole mess when I print to PDF. Customer supplies PDFs and if they spec Ian's Orange on page 63 one way and orange021 on page 64 and they don't match...hey, I'm not a mind reader!  :tongue:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Repro Man on January 21, 2009, 11:09:34 AM
Thanks all! Doesn't look like there is a completely straight answer to this question. Think we'll be going for 68% Magenta.
Cheers! 
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Joe on January 21, 2009, 11:33:09 AM
It won't matter. CMYK isn't going to match the PMS anyway.  :angry:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: almaink on January 21, 2009, 12:03:34 PM
This is one of the many reasons why I always use the rips color library to separate PMS colors. That way no matter where they come from, they go on the press at the same values.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Design4Print on April 24, 2009, 12:41:18 AM

Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM

I depends on if its coated or uncoated because the break down will change with each. According to the Pantone Color Bridge PMS Books the color is:

Coated= 0, 68, 100, 0
Uncoated= 0, 45, 86, 0

I have come up with a CMYK conversion chart you might be interested in.
http://www.graphicdesign4print.com/Pantone/

for the 021 color you have to type in orange instead of 021 for some reason, I'm going to have to fix that.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Joe on April 24, 2009, 04:05:36 AM


Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM

I depends on if its coated or uncoated because the break down will change with each. According to the Pantone Color Bridge PMS Books the color is:

Coated= 0, 68, 100, 0
Uncoated= 0, 45, 86, 0

I have come up with a CMYK conversion chart you might be interested in.
http://www.graphicdesign4print.com/Pantone/

for the 021 color you have to type in orange instead of 021 for some reason, I'm going to have to fix that.


Welcome to the forums. Nice conversion page and overall nice looking site you have.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Captain_Type on April 24, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
You can register at

http://www.pantone.com/pages/MYP_myPantone/mypantone.aspx (http://www.pantone.com/pages/MYP_myPantone/mypantone.aspx)

and download the latest library at no cost.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Design4Print on April 24, 2009, 10:37:55 AM



Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM

I depends on if its coated or uncoated because the break down will change with each. According to the Pantone Color Bridge PMS Books the color is:

Coated= 0, 68, 100, 0
Uncoated= 0, 45, 86, 0

I have come up with a CMYK conversion chart you might be interested in.
http://www.graphicdesign4print.com/Pantone/

for the 021 color you have to type in orange instead of 021 for some reason, I'm going to have to fix that.


Welcome to the forums. Nice conversion page and overall nice looking site you have.

Thanks! :smiley:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: gnubler on April 24, 2009, 12:28:53 PM



Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM

I depends on if its coated or uncoated because the break down will change with each. According to the Pantone Color Bridge PMS Books the color is:

Coated= 0, 68, 100, 0
Uncoated= 0, 45, 86, 0

I have come up with a CMYK conversion chart you might be interested in.
http://www.graphicdesign4print.com/Pantone/

for the 021 color you have to type in orange instead of 021 for some reason, I'm going to have to fix that.


Welcome to the forums. Nice conversion page and overall nice looking site you have.


I'm curious - does this generate different results than getting color values in Photoshop? That's usually what I do.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Joe on April 24, 2009, 12:35:07 PM




Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM

I depends on if its coated or uncoated because the break down will change with each. According to the Pantone Color Bridge PMS Books the color is:

Coated= 0, 68, 100, 0
Uncoated= 0, 45, 86, 0

I have come up with a CMYK conversion chart you might be interested in.
http://www.graphicdesign4print.com/Pantone/

for the 021 color you have to type in orange instead of 021 for some reason, I'm going to have to fix that.


Welcome to the forums. Nice conversion page and overall nice looking site you have.


I'm curious - does this generate different results than getting color values in Photoshop? That's usually what I do.


Good question so I tried it. The website for Orange 021 brings back M=45 Y=86 while Photoshop CS3 brings back M=68 Y=84 for uncoated stock.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: gnubler on April 24, 2009, 12:38:22 PM
So which one is the Easy Button?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Joe on April 24, 2009, 12:45:36 PM
As a designer you know you have to pick the one that fits your mood that particular day. You have to feel it ya know. :tongue:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: gnubler on April 24, 2009, 12:57:14 PM
Yeah, I usually go with the one on my slave monitor because the colors "pop" more and evoke feelings of hunger and lust.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Design4Print on April 24, 2009, 01:31:31 PM




Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM

I depends on if its coated or uncoated because the break down will change with each. According to the Pantone Color Bridge PMS Books the color is:

Coated= 0, 68, 100, 0
Uncoated= 0, 45, 86, 0

I have come up with a CMYK conversion chart you might be interested in.
http://www.graphicdesign4print.com/Pantone/

for the 021 color you have to type in orange instead of 021 for some reason, I'm going to have to fix that.


Welcome to the forums. Nice conversion page and overall nice looking site you have.


I'm curious - does this generate different results than getting color values in Photoshop? That's usually what I do.
Photoshop will give you a different formula, every program will give you a different formula, these numbers are from the Pantone Bridge PMS books. One of the reasons I developed this program is because Photoshop was not providing me accurate enough results and I needed to stay consistent and look up numbers quickly. Good Q!
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Joe on April 24, 2009, 01:38:04 PM





Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM

I depends on if its coated or uncoated because the break down will change with each. According to the Pantone Color Bridge PMS Books the color is:

Coated= 0, 68, 100, 0
Uncoated= 0, 45, 86, 0

I have come up with a CMYK conversion chart you might be interested in.
http://www.graphicdesign4print.com/Pantone/

for the 021 color you have to type in orange instead of 021 for some reason, I'm going to have to fix that.


Welcome to the forums. Nice conversion page and overall nice looking site you have.


I'm curious - does this generate different results than getting color values in Photoshop? That's usually what I do.
Photoshop will give you a different formula, every program will give you a different formula, these numbers are from the Pantone Bridge PMS books. One of the reasons I developed this program is because Photoshop was not providing me accurate enough results and I needed to stay consistent and look up numbers quickly. Good Q!


It sure would be nice though if all of these books and applications used the same numbers. :wink:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Joe on April 24, 2009, 01:44:39 PM

You can register at

http://www.pantone.com/pages/MYP_myPantone/mypantone.aspx (http://www.pantone.com/pages/MYP_myPantone/mypantone.aspx)

and download the latest library at no cost.


Where? I keep running into this page:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Design4Print on April 24, 2009, 01:46:18 PM






Hello!
Maybe you can help me settle an argument before I start it. Maybe you can confuse me some more...
What is the CMYK equivalent of Pantone Orange 021 according to you?
RM

I depends on if its coated or uncoated because the break down will change with each. According to the Pantone Color Bridge PMS Books the color is:

Coated= 0, 68, 100, 0
Uncoated= 0, 45, 86, 0

I have come up with a CMYK conversion chart you might be interested in.
http://www.graphicdesign4print.com/Pantone/

for the 021 color you have to type in orange instead of 021 for some reason, I'm going to have to fix that.


Welcome to the forums. Nice conversion page and overall nice looking site you have.


I'm curious - does this generate different results than getting color values in Photoshop? That's usually what I do.
Photoshop will give you a different formula, every program will give you a different formula, these numbers are from the Pantone Bridge PMS books. One of the reasons I developed this program is because Photoshop was not providing me accurate enough results and I needed to stay consistent and look up numbers quickly. Good Q!


It sure would be nice though if all of these books and applications used the same numbers. :wink:
No kidding! Its all a guessing game int he end. The other useful thing with this utility is when a customer gives you a file that is CMYK and they want to print in PMS and they don't know what color want. You can plug in these numbers and get some results that will get you in the ball park of picking out a PMS color. [/b][/font]
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: gnubler on April 24, 2009, 02:03:42 PM

It sure would be nice though if all of these books and applications used the same numbers. :wink:


Stop talking such crazy talk! Dreamer.
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Joe on April 24, 2009, 02:37:31 PM


It sure would be nice though if all of these books and applications used the same numbers. :wink:


Stop talking such crazy talk! Dreamer.


I know. I'd have better luck making peace in the Middle East. :sad:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: david on April 24, 2009, 02:41:35 PM
you need to slow down on the huffing processor fumes Joe, it's making you a little looney... all the apps matching colors, HA!, that's just crazy talk!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: Joe on April 24, 2009, 02:45:40 PM
I know. I can't believe I said it. I think I might be having a stroke. :undecided:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: david on April 24, 2009, 03:57:06 PM
anybody know the number for 911!
I think Joe may need some help!!

quick... someone check his pulse...
go get the defibrillator... stat
I need a drink, stat...
can someone get me a chair...

oh, man, rescuing people is hard work...
I need a nap.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Pantone Orange 021 to CMYK
Post by: gnubler on April 24, 2009, 04:11:39 PM
Why don't you just make him some margaritas? Duh!