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Title: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Bugs on October 04, 2011, 12:05:00 PM
I just got a request to turn 150 scans of diagrams to vector art and have the type be live (editable). Does anybody have an easy way to do this? Here is a sample image.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: t-pat on October 04, 2011, 12:06:11 PM
Acrobat Pro will OCR it for you, works pretty well. Not perfect, but pretty well.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Joe on October 04, 2011, 12:11:25 PM

I just got a request to turn 150 scans of diagrams to vector art and have the type be live (editable). Does anybody have an easy way to do this? Here is a sample image.


Doing one image is not going to be "easy". Then multiply that by 150.

You can try what t-pat suggested with OCR for the text. Then use Illustrator and live trace for the images. But it's not going to "easy".
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: gnubler on October 04, 2011, 12:14:02 PM
You mean you can't just save them as Illustrator EPS and magically turn them into vectors? Cuz that's what my customers do and they are geniuses for it.

It's going to be work, Bugs. I don't know if Vector Magic has better tools than Illy's Live Trace. You could try one and find out but it ain't free anymore.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: t-pat on October 04, 2011, 12:17:35 PM
make it into a 150 page pdf and ocr it via acrobat. Easy enough. Hard part will be going through it and proof reading/correcting it. You'll need other tools, of course.

I'm not sure the OP wants to "Live Trace" it as then it would not be editable type, it would just be vectors.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Grimace on October 04, 2011, 12:30:59 PM
Vector Magic will work for the image part, but with that shading, you would need to add gradients or something.
The text would just be "outlined" and would need to re-typed.

So, generally about a 150 hours of work @ $$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: t-pat on October 04, 2011, 12:33:58 PM
ahem... OCR
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: DigiCorn on October 04, 2011, 12:48:54 PM
Can you redraw the line art in Illy, and then make it an editable PDF form or use PDFLib blocks?
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Joe on October 04, 2011, 12:50:48 PM

make it into a 150 page pdf and ocr it via acrobat. Easy enough. Hard part will be going through it and proof reading/correcting it. You'll need other tools, of course.

I'm not sure the OP wants to "Live Trace" it as then it would not be editable type, it would just be vectors.


I think the OP wants both vector images and editable text.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Bugs on October 04, 2011, 01:03:08 PM
Tried live trace and it was kinda crappy. I told my boss that each one will be an hour. That way if I have to do it all by hand we wont lose money. Some are allot less work.
Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Skryber on October 04, 2011, 01:05:03 PM
You'd probably have an "easier" time locating the original files. Just give them a quote and see if they magically appear. Cause that's going to be a lot of work. I would scan them in as Line Art and Live Trace in Illy and if not much text, just retype it.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Joe on October 04, 2011, 01:07:50 PM
We charge $45 per hour (which is cheap) x 150 = $6,750! Any of my customers would keel over at that price for "prepress" work. :laugh:
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Bugs on October 04, 2011, 01:09:32 PM
problem is it's out of an old book. Looks looks like camera art.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Bugs on October 04, 2011, 01:09:57 PM
We are at $60 hr
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on October 04, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
$45 an hour! You are a cheap whore. Wow, that is cheap.  :laugh:
I'm $70 an hour!
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Joe on October 04, 2011, 01:12:12 PM

We are at $60 hr


$9,000 then. I guess it's really important if they agree to pay it. I'll do it for $8,999! :laugh:
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Joe on October 04, 2011, 01:13:24 PM

$45 an hour! You are a cheap whore. Wow, that is cheap.  :laugh:
I'm $70 an hour!


In 1990 the place I was working at charged $245 per hour. When I started at this place in 2001 they were charging $45 per hour. Hasn't moved since. Doomed!
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Skryber on October 04, 2011, 01:15:13 PM
We generally charge $50, however, each customer has they're own special cost depending on their level of PITA.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: david on October 04, 2011, 01:17:47 PM
our keyboard time used to be 125.

of course, that was back in the eighties when cash was easy to come by.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Joe on October 04, 2011, 01:27:16 PM
We could charge $5,000 an hour and it wouldn't make any difference. Our customers won't agree to pay for 5 minutes at $45 per hour.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: t-pat on October 04, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
our time is worthless until it comes time for a raise (or comes time to fire someone to cut the budget), funny huh?
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Farabomb on October 04, 2011, 03:14:18 PM
Think we are at $125/hr here but like  everywhere, it's subjective.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: DigiCorn on October 04, 2011, 03:18:08 PM
$60/hour here... not that our customers ever really have to pay it
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: gnubler on October 04, 2011, 04:16:34 PM

our time is worthless until it comes time for a raise (or comes time to fire someone to cut the budget), funny huh?


Happening here right now. I've spent countless hours designing & printing material for a big event and I don't think any of prepress time is being billed. Like Joe says, I'm paid hourly so why should I care...

I care when it cuts into paying jobs like it has the past several weeks.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: hotmetal on October 04, 2011, 05:26:58 PM
I've bid on freelance production projects of this magnitude before. My bids were fair and my work stands for itself (i.e., they want vector art and type and that's what they'd get, and I'd use both OCR and Streamline (LiveTrace these days) to start off, in batch mode.) Never got anyone to bite for such a project. An hour each sounds about right. Some would go faster, some would be a bitch. A month's work for one person, a couple days work for a workgroup, if you can find an entire workgroup of this caliber.

If they don't want to pay a professional rate for the work but still expect professional results, you might as well be flipping burgers...
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: t-pat on October 04, 2011, 05:28:42 PM
I want to work the drive thru window.... 'cause they totally screw you at the drive thru.
Title: Re: JPG to Vector with live type
Post by: Joe on October 04, 2011, 05:31:52 PM

I've bid on freelance production projects of this magnitude before. My bids were fair and my work stands for itself (i.e., they want vector art and type and that's what they'd get, and I'd use both OCR and Streamline (LiveTrace these days) to start off, in batch mode.) Never got anyone to bite for such a project. An hour each sounds about right. Some would go faster, some would be a bitch. A month's work for one person, a couple days work for a workgroup, if you can find an entire workgroup of this caliber.

If they don't want to pay a professional rate for the work but still expect professional results, you might as well be flipping burgers...


Customers always want professional results. Never at the professional rate though. They always expect it to be free. SOS. Day after day. :cry: