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Title: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 16, 2012, 03:18:57 PM
     What do you give your pressman to work from in the way of proofs -- Flat proofs of the press sheet to be printed, or in the case of booklets and/or folded pieces, a folded proof ?? Or both ??

     In an effort to head off issues that result in plate remakes, there is now a new 'policy' in effect here that no job goes to plate without a folded proof, no matter how simple the job may be.

     Though I've commented that a folded proof will not resolve all issues, the powers that be - a.k.a. The Boss and the 'Lead' Pressman - think it will.

     Comments, anyone???

     

       
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigiCorn on January 16, 2012, 03:23:11 PM
We furnish our pressman with a folded down proof, "color accurate." Actually our yellow is off slightly, but in all my years, this is about as dialed in as I've seen, and it works for us. We only have one or two overly whiney customers, and we make them do press checks.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 16, 2012, 03:25:14 PM
We do a low resolution folded digital blue-line, current with all known changes applied, as well as flat sheets in high resolution showing impose, mainly for color on press. The low res will be done to each sig in it's entirety with every round of corrections. It does save on costly mistakes.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 16, 2012, 03:34:18 PM
We do a digital blueline and Epson, Spectroproof Verified color proofs that go out to the press with the plates. In addition, all presses bring a press pull up to prepress and hand them out for us to look over. I have the receptionist check page sequence while the typesetter looks for technical glitches and I check for overall color and quality. With all 3 of us looking, it only takes a minute. Something wrong, I run to the pressroom and shut them down.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: david on January 16, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
All of our jobs go to the press room with a page numbered, trimmed & folded, 2 sided inkjet for pagination and content.
And also high res contract color proofs (epson or approvals), either from us or the client.  No exceptions.

When the press room is happy with a sheet, they bring it to us with the folded inkjet for us to verify. We will initial the press sheet and it all goes back to the press room.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Joe on January 16, 2012, 03:46:32 PM
Imposed PDF flats only. The pressman is the only one that checks the work on the press.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 16, 2012, 03:47:39 PM
Thanks. Now, let me add a few more facts to make this more interesting:

1) Our prepress staffs' familiarity of how things need to work together mechanically is practically non-existent. 

2) The only person with that knowledge (yours truly) has been moved to bindery and finishing, for the most part.

3) The two ladies who work on documents continue to get saddled with more and more stuff: Layouts for wide format work, actual operation of the digital press, walk-in customers, answering the phone, and their normal prepress work.

Maybe this should be in prepress rants ... :death:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 16, 2012, 03:47:53 PM
We would provide 2 proofs that the customer would sign off on. Always a double proof. Not color accurate but good to check content and folds. Believe me, I've seen a job pass through 4 folder operator folded backwards. And there were page numbers! If there's no double proof, the bindery points fingers and I remember one time they tried to blame the pressman (Jerry) for running the job on a different guide. That was a hilarious day. After that on top of all his loads read "A FUCKING GUIDE" or "B FUCKING GUIDE" with a million arrows on the top sheet. Hahaha!

edit: The reason why this was so hilarious was because Jerry told me he didn't want the night guy entering jobs in Pecom because he always screwed up the guides and only I would get them right. So I purposely entered the wrong guide to be funny, and with an "I'll show you" attitude, he ran it in the opposite guide. Which was no big deal bc he did mark the loads. So it all trailed down to me being a smart ass.  :lmao:

The other proof was a color proof and only if the customer requested that it was color critical. Our old final proofer would replicate the dots that you would see on our press. I loved that monster. We sold it to G_Tone's peeps.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 16, 2012, 03:53:48 PM
This sounds like the perfect time to prove your point/get what you want by letting others fail. I'm not condoning causing others to fail, but sometimes, those of us who know how it all works are taken for granted and taken advantage of. It is possible to be too helpful.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 16, 2012, 04:01:05 PM
When we starting going down the tubes, no one gave a shit except me. I used to get so mad. I was so meticulous about proofs and plates. Why am I walking into the pressroom, see the press running and no pressman? He's outside smoking. Or he would be there pulling sheets and I can see a smash in the sheet from 4 feet away. Oh, you ran the entire job that way and you're on the second side of a work and turn?  That guy was nothing but a hack. And he didn't know how to enter Pecom. Bossman didn't want to do anything about it so that's when I stopped giving a shit in that place. And then we went boom boom.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 16, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
Ear -- Message received.

I have thought of doing just that, but I guess I hate to see work get trashed when it doesn't have to, or see it take three times longer than it needs to passing through finishing. 

On the other hand, what have they done for me lately ??  That's another long story for Rants ....

Skryber -- sounds like an interesting place to work....    :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 16, 2012, 04:08:26 PM

Ear -- Message received.

I have thought of doing just that, but I guess I hate to see work get trashed when it doesn't have to, or see it take three times longer than it needs to passing through finishing. 

On the other hand, what have they done for me lately ??  That's another long story for Rants ....

Skryber -- sounds like an interesting place to work....    :laugh:


You have no idea. I used to be a lot of fun until shit hit the fan.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 16, 2012, 04:11:58 PM
I hear ya man. I feel the same and in reality, I won't let things get messed up when I can help it. I recently had to prove a similar thing. Took three vacation days and was caught up before I left, I made sure of it. Day one, took a couple of stressy coworker calls. Day two, spent 3+ hours on the phone, trying to help them through rudimentary shit, that they have been trained on. Day three, said screw it and didn't answer my phone. Came back to crying boss and clients. Hey, man... one person literally can't do it all. And if you try, you will be harassed and/or hated when you can't.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 16, 2012, 04:19:01 PM
Skryber -- I'm on the same page as you were.

1) Our lease is up in 31 months.

2) The landlord is my boss' ex-partner, whom he fired 8 years ago.  NO WAY we're going to be allowed to stay here.  It's all about territory, not practicality.

3) The lead pressman is the 'Golden Boy'.  Ironically, he has so much faith in this outfit, that he now works three day shifts at nearby Walmart Distribution. He does whatever he wants -- whenever he wants.  Doesn't matter who's feelings he hurts or who's toes he steps on.
This is the person that the boss was going to fire last spring because of his attitude and mouth, but lacked the balls to do it.

4) My boss will be 60 when the lease is up.

5) Haven't had a raise in over 5 years, our fringe has been cut significantly, no other printing opportunities around here, my wife has a good teaching job, and my house is paid for.

6) Ear -- I like the way you think, but it would be a struggle for this minion with OCD  to stand back and let it happen .....   :grin:




4)
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 16, 2012, 04:20:43 PM
I've had to talk them through imposing a 150 page perfect bound from literally 1000 miles away in a campground -- took 30 minutes :grin:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigiCorn on January 16, 2012, 04:24:26 PM
When I assemble a proof, I fold it down the same way it would in bindery. If I don't fold it down right, I fix it before I plate it. Pressman rules it up after a few pulls and up to color. If he sees something he doesn't like, we get together and discuss. Usually this occurs before plating and on press. I try to follow a rule I learned a long time ago: "can't waste press time."
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 16, 2012, 04:28:20 PM

Skryber -- I'm on the same page as you were.

1) Our lease is up in 31 months.

2) The landlord is my boss' ex-partner, whom he fired 8 years ago.  NO WAY we're going to be allowed to stay here.  It's all about territory, not practicality.

3) The lead pressman is the 'Golden Boy'.  Ironically, he has so much faith in this outfit, that he now works three day shifts at nearby Walmart Distribution. He does whatever he wants -- whenever he wants.  Doesn't matter who's feelings he hurts or who's toes he steps on.
This is the person that the boss was going to fire last spring because of his attitude and mouth, but lacked the balls to do it.

4) My boss will be 60 when the lease is up.

5) Haven't had a raise in over 5 years, our fringe has been cut significantly, no other printing opportunities around here, my wife has a good teaching job, and my house is paid for.

6) Ear -- I like the way you think, but it would be a struggle for this minion with OCD  to stand back and let it happen .....   :grin:




4)


Must be the same pressman. I suggest taking home what's yours and "borrowing" tools that may be useful.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 16, 2012, 04:33:29 PM
What they don't realize is that they are one machine away from being nothing...
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: t-pat on January 16, 2012, 05:11:51 PM

When I assemble a proof, I fold it down the same way it would in bindery. If I don't fold it down right, I fix it before I plate it. Pressman rules it up after a few pulls and up to color. If he sees something he doesn't like, we get together and discuss. Usually this occurs before plating and on press. I try to follow a rule I learned a long time ago: "can't waste press time."


how quaint. Nowhere near as exciting as the rule I learned "just fucking do something right NAO and we'll blame and berate you later when it is all fucked up"
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DCurry on January 16, 2012, 06:43:09 PM
I make 1 proof - it is pretty much for color break only (pressmen run to "pleasing color" and also to ensure our company logos look good), and I fold it down and trim it. Actually, I cheat on jobs that don't stitch - I run single page proofs and back them up and fold/trim them. I know it sounds a little dangerous, but I always check the layout digitally using Apogee's light table feature - makes it easy to check trims, bleeds, and to ensure backups are correct. Also, much of our work are exact reprints. If a job stitches, though, I'll run a proof of the entire press sheet and then fold it down. Since I am a 1-man prepress department, I am quite confident in my decisions of when to make an imposed proof versus page proofs and I don't have to worry about someone else mucking up the system.

The pressmen do not rule up sheets to check anything. That has been a point of contention, but they are not required to do so by management so they don't! Most of them have never worked in a commercial shop and this is the only shop they've ever worked in, so they tend to have bad habits from living in a "bubble."

Because we are an inhouse printer, we don't get proofs approved by the "customer" (other departments within the corporation). They are approved by the CSR.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: frailer on January 16, 2012, 07:58:12 PM
We work off approved Black Magic press proofs here. Occasionally they're approved from (pre-rendered) imposed proofs from XMF. 70% of our work is in-house. Fold-ups are rare. I try and keep an eye on imposition be checking every forme against the supplied impo sheet, by folio. Also try to make use of the 3D proofing facility in XMF, to check for page flow. This does not show missing bleeds, but can show dodgy crossovers, and other stuff you might not see on the imposed.
Yeah, skryber... outside smoking... not so much with our guys, but surfing the 'net! I guess 20 years ago it was pron mags.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on January 16, 2012, 09:03:29 PM
Our pressman needs to be furnished with a threat to his job. Farking arsehole.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Syphon on January 16, 2012, 09:32:01 PM
We print out a small thumbnail proof on 11x17, fold it down, and make matchprints for color jobs.
The reason we do thumbnail proofs is because we have to do the proofs fast.
If we take our time to make sure everything done absolutely right, we get blamed for holding things up.

Bottom line, if we rush or take our time, it's always prepress fault.
Can't make pressman happy, can't make supervisor happy, can't make boss happy. :angry:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: frailer on January 16, 2012, 09:44:20 PM

Our pressman needs to be furnished with a threat to his job. Farking arsehole.


I believe there are a few African Constrictor Pythons loose in the Everglades. Not that I want put ideas in your head.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: andyfest on January 17, 2012, 07:53:42 AM
For each job we output 2 - duplicate, fully imposed colour accurate proofs. As it is folding carton work, we cut out 1 position of one of the proofs and send it to the client for approval. Once approved the other fully imposed proof is sent to the press for the run. That way client & press monkey are looking at identical proofs.
BTW - no problem with press crews surfing or smoking here. Smoking is only allowed outside with specific break times allotted and, after being caught surfing porn, all workstations on the production floor had internet access cut off. Most press crews are still made up, however, of prima donna a**holes. Only production supervisors have somewhat restricted access to internet now.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 17, 2012, 11:40:22 AM
My boss hated smoking. When he left we would smoke in the shop but you didn't want him catching you at all. I wish he'd bitch that much to his smoker wife as he did to us.

We had a huge problem with night workers surfing pron on the shipping computer. I can't tell you how many times I had to clean viruses off it. I mean those fuckers would do nothing all night but sit on the computer and get paid. I finally put a password on it. Then we had a problem with people clocking in and leaving to go to the boat to gamble with money they got from selling our old plates. When we needed the money, we'd recycle skids of plates and earn a decent coin. It was a backfall. One day they weren't there. Pressman made about $5,000. Bosssman confronted him about it and he admitted to stealing and nothing happened to him. He continued to clock in and leave.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: andyfest on January 17, 2012, 12:11:41 PM
I can't believe how much the smoking laws have changed up here. As a former smoker, we used to be able to smoke everywhere in the offices, but not on the production floor.  Now it's banned everywhere. The provincial gov't has banned it just about everywhere inside where the public are and just banned it in automobiles where children are present as well.

Our pressmen aren't that blatantly corrupt. They have kind of a pseudo-union going on and regard anyone outside the dep't with distrust. They are typical of any pressroom and blame everything on prepress. They would, however, get fired for stealing plates to make gambling money or for leaving without notice.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 17, 2012, 12:39:06 PM
The no smoking was also an insurance thing because we caught fire twice before the big one. We weren't supposed to smoke on the property period. We we're supposed to go across the street.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 17, 2012, 01:04:32 PM
Smoking? Around here, and in Cali, there is a smoking ban in all buildings, including bars and work vehicles and smoking is prohibited within 10 feet of any door of any business. Also no smoking on the campus property of any public school or hospital, even outside. I think people are still allowed to smoke in their own house tho.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: t-pat on January 17, 2012, 01:06:10 PM
people from Illinois go to Indiana to smoke.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 17, 2012, 01:09:04 PM
 :laugh: "Taking a smoke break, see you this afternoon"
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 01:10:04 PM

Smoking? Around here, and in Cali, there is a smoking ban in all buildings, including bars and work vehicles and smoking is prohibited within 10 feet of any door of any business. Also no smoking on the campus property of any public school or hospital, even outside. I think people are still allowed to smoke in their own house tho.  :rolleyes:


Well, chalk up one good reason for leaving.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2012, 01:10:45 PM

people from Illinois go to Indiana to smoke.


Here in downstate, the "no smoking in bars" lasted for about 3 months. Although the law is still in effect no one down here pays any attention to it and if you go into a bar around here you will see people smoking.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: andyfest on January 17, 2012, 01:12:42 PM
Once you get used to it it's actually nice to have a meal out without having the smoke drifting around. Not sure what Vegas is like now, but it was really different coming from here and going to places where people smoked everywhere. In long-ago days I remember when all-inclusives would leave trays of fresh cigarettes everywhere for your enjoyment. Mmmm...makes me want a ciggy again...
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigiCorn on January 17, 2012, 01:13:13 PM


Smoking? Around here, and in Cali, there is a smoking ban in all buildings, including bars and work vehicles and smoking is prohibited within 10 feet of any door of any business. Also no smoking on the campus property of any public school or hospital, even outside. I think people are still allowed to smoke in their own house tho.  :rolleyes:


Well, chalk up one good reason for leaving.
Actually, in Cali I think the rule is 50 feet... but then all businesses put the ash can right by the door, so you get to walk through a cloud of smoke when shopping.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 01:14:03 PM
Last time I was in Indiana, I actually got to smoke in a Big Boy restaurant. It was GLORIOUS. Highlight of my life. I prefer to smoke and eat simultaneously.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: andyfest on January 17, 2012, 01:17:15 PM

Last time I was in Indiana, I actually got to smoke in a Big Boy restaurant. It was GLORIOUS. Highlight of my life. I prefer to smoke and eat simultaneously.
Not me - I lived for the post-meal smoke & coffee. It's been 14 years this year tho'. When I quit I could hardly take the trash out to the curb without running out of breath.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2012, 01:17:52 PM
I remember the days of smoking on an airline flight. Once the "Smoking" light came on the cabin got fogged in a hurry. :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2012, 01:18:45 PM


Last time I was in Indiana, I actually got to smoke in a Big Boy restaurant. It was GLORIOUS. Highlight of my life. I prefer to smoke and eat simultaneously.
Not me - I lived for the post-meal smoke & coffee. It's been 14 years this year tho'. When I quit I could hardly take the trash out to the curb without running out of breath.


Same here. June 15, 1998 2:15 pm.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: david on January 17, 2012, 01:19:54 PM

I remember the days of smoking on an airline flight. Once the "Smoking" light came on the cabin got fogged in a hurry. :laugh:


I remember that, and the Southwest Airlines stewardesses with hot pants and boots....     :evil:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: andyfest on January 17, 2012, 01:22:42 PM



Last time I was in Indiana, I actually got to smoke in a Big Boy restaurant. It was GLORIOUS. Highlight of my life. I prefer to smoke and eat simultaneously.
Not me - I lived for the post-meal smoke & coffee. It's been 14 years this year tho'. When I quit I could hardly take the trash out to the curb without running out of breath.


Same here. June 15, 1998 2:15 pm.
July 19, 1998 for me. It was my 40th birthday and I knew it was time. Still can pick out a whiff of smoke from a mile away now.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2012, 01:24:58 PM




Last time I was in Indiana, I actually got to smoke in a Big Boy restaurant. It was GLORIOUS. Highlight of my life. I prefer to smoke and eat simultaneously.
Not me - I lived for the post-meal smoke & coffee. It's been 14 years this year tho'. When I quit I could hardly take the trash out to the curb without running out of breath.


Same here. June 15, 1998 2:15 pm.
July 19, 1998 for me. It was my 40th birthday and I knew it was time. Still can pick out a whiff of smoke from a mile away now.


I think that ability gets greater each day of not smoking. I still love the smell when someone lights up a fresh one but when they come back in from smoking they smell like a dirty ash tray.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 17, 2012, 01:25:43 PM


Smoking? Around here, and in Cali, there is a smoking ban in all buildings, including bars and work vehicles and smoking is prohibited within 10 feet of any door of any business. Also no smoking on the campus property of any public school or hospital, even outside. I think people are still allowed to smoke in their own house tho.  :rolleyes:


Well, chalk up one good reason for leaving.


Hell no! I never felt right smoking inside and sure as hell don't want to be around smoke while I eat.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2012, 01:25:55 PM


I remember the days of smoking on an airline flight. Once the "Smoking" light came on the cabin got fogged in a hurry. :laugh:


I remember that, and the Southwest Airlines stewardesses with hot pants and boots....     :evil:


Yes, that was back in the day when all stewardesses had to pass some sort of hotness test to get hired.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Farabomb on January 17, 2012, 01:27:33 PM
Pretty sure I saw a sign on the Dairy Queen in W.Va mentioning something about you have to be 15 ft. from the door or some shit. Thankfully it didn't apply to flatuance becasue I left a few in the corner. If you stop in Elkins W. Va I'd avoid the DQ. It's probably still a little rank in there.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: andyfest on January 17, 2012, 01:45:58 PM

Pretty sure I saw a sign on the Dairy Queen in W.Va mentioning something about you have to be 15 ft. from the door or some shit. Thankfully it didn't apply to flatuance becasue I left a few in the corner. If you stop in Elkins W. Va I'd avoid the DQ. It's probably still a little rank in there.
You actually left a dead fart in a restaurant!? Good god man!!
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Farabomb on January 17, 2012, 02:11:26 PM
It was the 4th day of nothing but road food and beer. I didn't have a choice.

Feel bad for my GF. Four days behind me in a car along with a 300+ lactose intolerant man that was downing chipwichs at every stop. It was bad enough that the 300+ guy said I should go to the doctor and have it looked at.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 02:12:28 PM



Smoking? Around here, and in Cali, there is a smoking ban in all buildings, including bars and work vehicles and smoking is prohibited within 10 feet of any door of any business. Also no smoking on the campus property of any public school or hospital, even outside. I think people are still allowed to smoke in their own house tho.  :rolleyes:


Well, chalk up one good reason for leaving.


Hell no! I never felt right smoking inside and sure as hell don't want to be around smoke while I eat.


I miss it... a lot. There are a few diners here that still have smoking, but on the whole, it's pretty much a no-no.

When 6 hits and the Tweedles go home, I fire 'em up at my desk. I am much productive not having to leave to go smoke on the hour. I don't take a lunch break, so if I do eat, it's at my desk after hours with a burg in one hand and a smoke in the other. I really miss chain-smoking at my desk. It used to be the way of all print shops and service bureaus. Hell, when I first moved here, I could smoke while grocery shopping.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigiCorn on January 17, 2012, 02:14:28 PM


Pretty sure I saw a sign on the Dairy Queen in W.Va mentioning something about you have to be 15 ft. from the door or some shit. Thankfully it didn't apply to flatuance becasue I left a few in the corner. If you stop in Elkins W. Va I'd avoid the DQ. It's probably still a little rank in there.
You actually left a dead fart in a restaurant!? Good god man!!
We call that crop dusting
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 17, 2012, 02:54:32 PM
We are right on the border of Illinois and Indiana. A bar we like is on the Illinois side and they ignored the new not smoking in bars law but they were starting to get fined. So they built a room attached to the bar with only 1 wall and put heat lamps in there and there's a light switch with a window next to it. When you need another beer, you turn on the light and the bartender opens the window to get your order. Hahaha! The room actually has a foundation. Something about only having one wall makes it so you can smoke in it.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: andyfest on January 17, 2012, 03:26:34 PM
Even though I quit, I still think bars should be sacred ground for smoking. There's just something about a smoky bar that gives it that certain atmosphere.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 17, 2012, 03:29:55 PM

Even though I quit, I still think bars should be sacred ground for smoking. There's just something about a smoky bar that gives it that certain atmosphere.


I agree. Smoking and drinking.......it just goes hand in hand.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 17, 2012, 03:35:50 PM


Even though I quit, I still think bars should be sacred ground for smoking. There's just something about a smoky bar that gives it that certain atmosphere.


I agree. Smoking and drinking.......it just goes hand in hand.


A smoke in one hand and a drink in the other?  :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Farabomb on January 17, 2012, 03:40:53 PM
How do they expect strip clubs to make money if they don't allow smoking inside? Even with heaters the girls won't be happy outside.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: gnubler on January 17, 2012, 03:53:13 PM



Even though I quit, I still think bars should be sacred ground for smoking. There's just something about a smoky bar that gives it that certain atmosphere.


I agree. Smoking and drinking.......it just goes hand in hand.


A smoke in one hand and a drink in the other?  :laugh:


Yes.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigiCorn on January 17, 2012, 04:04:36 PM




Even though I quit, I still think bars should be sacred ground for smoking. There's just something about a smoky bar that gives it that certain atmosphere.


I agree. Smoking and drinking.......it just goes hand in hand.


A smoke in one hand and a drink in the other?  :laugh:


Yes.
Don't ever mix them up. Some of the high proofs are really flammable.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 17, 2012, 04:12:48 PM
Man, did we get way off topic....

I guess I'll go with the flow -- Since those that smoke here are allowed to take a break whenever, I keep threatening to call in while on vacation and take an additional week of smoke breaks end-to-end.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Skryber on January 17, 2012, 04:14:23 PM
Off Topic is how we rollz.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 04:25:00 PM

Man, did we get way off topic....

I guess I'll go with the flow -- Since those that smoke here are allowed to take a break whenever, I keep threatening to call in while on vacation and take an additional week of smoke breaks end-to-end.


But... you don't smoke. :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 17, 2012, 04:35:49 PM


Man, did we get way off topic....

I guess I'll go with the flow -- Since those that smoke here are allowed to take a break whenever, I keep threatening to call in while on vacation and take an additional week of smoke breaks end-to-end.


But... you don't smoke. :laugh:
Exactly.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 04:38:12 PM



Man, did we get way off topic....

I guess I'll go with the flow -- Since those that smoke here are allowed to take a break whenever, I keep threatening to call in while on vacation and take an additional week of smoke breaks end-to-end.


But... you don't smoke. :laugh:
Exactly.


Why would you have to take time off? :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 17, 2012, 04:40:00 PM
Two ten-minute breaks a day, on the clock, adds up to more than a week each year.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 17, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
All the smokers get paid a week a year to smoke....
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: t-pat on January 17, 2012, 04:41:24 PM

Two ten-minute breaks a day, on the clock, adds up to more than a week each year.


what about the 4+ hours I've spent today readning Cracked and Fark? Didn't smoke during this.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 04:42:15 PM

Two ten-minute breaks a day, on the clock, adds up to more than a week each year.


Maybe you should start smoking. :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2012, 04:43:43 PM

Man, did we get way off topic....

I guess I'll go with the flow -- Since those that smoke here are allowed to take a break whenever, I keep threatening to call in while on vacation and take an additional week of smoke breaks end-to-end.


It used to be that way here until they locked all of the doors and you have to punch out now for breaks. You can go out if you don't punch out but you can't get back in without punching in and if they don't punch out it screws up their whole time for the day. Now they have set break times. One before lunch, one after lunch. They still get paid for their break but they have to punch out and back in. If they take more breaks than those two they get docked for them.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: impodave on January 17, 2012, 04:49:20 PM
I never have been one to take breaks -- I guess here lies the real problem.... :huh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 04:53:21 PM
Seriously, though. Everyone is allowed a break... paid. What difference does it make whether I smoke or read Sewing For The Modern Woman? I usually find that non-smokers bitch about the smoke breaks, but refuse to take any breaks themselves. Not really the smoker's problem. A lot gets accomplished on smoke breaks. All the good company gossip is discussed as well as therapeutic bitching. If I ever stop smoking, I will miss that.

Dave... hahaahahah! You posted right when I hit "Submit".
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Joe on January 17, 2012, 04:55:48 PM

Seriously, though. Everyone is allowed a break... paid. What difference does it make whether I smoke or read Sewing For The Modern Woman? I usually find that non-smokers bitch about the smoke breaks, but refuse to take any breaks themselves. Not really the smoker's problem. A lot gets accomplished on smoke breaks. All the good company gossip is discussed as well as therapeutic bitching. If I ever stop smoking, I will miss that.

Dave... hahaahahah! You posted right when I hit "Submit".


I don't take breaks either though some might say my whole day is a break (they think this seriously). Our problem here was that smokers were going outside every 15 minutes for a 10 minute break.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 17, 2012, 04:57:31 PM
Take breaks... eat lunch... smoke, or sew, or make an LOLCAT picture or whatever... enjoy something during the day, otherwise, what's the point? Hell, I'm going to walk across the field and get a big coffee right meow.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 04:59:52 PM
People will take advantage of it every time. I smoke when it's convenient with my job. If a job takes me 4 hours, I usually don't smoke (before 6) until I complete it. I don't want to abuse it, I also don't want it taken away from me. I try to respect non-smokers... you know, staying far away from store fronts or crowds. Not flipping my butts all over the place. We all got to get along and I am the one imposing my habits on others. I try to respect that.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 05:00:37 PM

Take breaks... eat lunch... smoke, or sew, or make an LOLCAT picture or whatever... enjoy something during the day, otherwise, what's the point? Hell, I'm going to walk across the field and get a big coffee right meow.


I just enjoy Prepress. It is SOOOOO rewarding. :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Ear on January 17, 2012, 05:01:56 PM


Take breaks... eat lunch... smoke, or sew, or make an LOLCAT picture or whatever... enjoy something during the day, otherwise, what's the point? Hell, I'm going to walk across the field and get a big coffee right meow.


I just enjoy Prepress. It is SOOOOO rewarding. :laugh:


hmmm... that's sick, man. Maybe there is something to farting around with native files after all.   :undecided:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 05:06:15 PM



Take breaks... eat lunch... smoke, or sew, or make an LOLCAT picture or whatever... enjoy something during the day, otherwise, what's the point? Hell, I'm going to walk across the field and get a big coffee right meow.


I just enjoy Prepress. It is SOOOOO rewarding. :laugh:


hmmm... that's sick, man. Maybe there is something to farting around with native files after all.   :undecided:


Ain't nothing to it, but to do it. All the cool kids are doing it! :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on January 17, 2012, 08:06:39 PM




Take breaks... eat lunch... smoke, or sew, or make an LOLCAT picture or whatever... enjoy something during the day, otherwise, what's the point? Hell, I'm going to walk across the field and get a big coffee right meow.


I just enjoy Prepress. It is SOOOOO rewarding. :laugh:


hmmm... that's sick, man. Maybe there is something to farting around with native files after all.   :undecided:

So, I'm cool. Nice!
Ain't nothing to it, but to do it. All the cool kids are doing it! :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: DigitalCrapShoveler on January 17, 2012, 08:19:19 PM
We need to teach you how to quote properly. Or you're drinking. :laugh:
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Sabrina The Turd Polisher on January 17, 2012, 08:42:29 PM

We need to teach you how to quote properly. Or you're drinking. :laugh:

Ummm....ummmm, damn.
Title: Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
Post by: Stiv on January 18, 2012, 08:17:47 AM
 :ontopic:We provide our pressman with a backed up, folded proof that the client has signed off on. If the job is to print on coated paper then we run imposed contract color proofs.

:offtopic:The company does not allow any tobacco products on site. The smokers must leave the property to smoke or chew. They also must be punched out and on their own time.