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Title: CS6 Released today
Post by: Grimace on April 23, 2012, 11:21:53 AM
http://www.adobe.com/special/cs6/launch-event-desktop.html (http://www.adobe.com/special/cs6/launch-event-desktop.html)

Yep.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: DigiCorn on April 23, 2012, 11:28:36 AM
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/images/i/2003/41/c/9/South_Park_WP___Cartman_Kitty.jpg)
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on April 23, 2012, 11:29:00 AM
We just upgraded all of our Macs to CS5 at the end of last year. It ran us over $20K. :angry:
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: david on April 23, 2012, 12:01:50 PM
not bad, if you upgrade from 5.5 to 6, it's a steal at $375. Upgrade from 5, it's over $700 smackdown.

Or, you can go with the Cloud for $360 (for one year, introductory price or education pricing).

Not sure which is the better deal yet...
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Skryber on April 23, 2012, 12:25:30 PM
Son of a.......
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on April 23, 2012, 01:07:15 PM

not bad, if you upgrade from 5.5 to 6, it's a steal at $375. Upgrade from 5, it's over $700 smackdown.

Or, you can go with the Cloud for $360 (for one year, introductory price or education pricing).

Not sure which is the better deal yet...


Will still run $5,250 to upgrade 14 copies.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: david on April 23, 2012, 01:28:57 PM
one of the bennies of the BIG corp account....

Adobe updates for life...
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Slappy on April 23, 2012, 04:51:15 PM
Has anybody had the cajones to just tell clients outright "Look, we're not jumping on the latest & greatest version until it's been out for a while. Save your files back to the most recent previous version, or follow our PDF Guidelines."

Stop the Madness!!!!  :drunk3: :drunk3: :death: :drunk3: :drunk3: :banana: :drunk3: :drunk3:
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on April 23, 2012, 05:06:37 PM
We pretty much insist on PDF files these days. Can't remember the last native job I did but I do remember it was in Quark.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: david on April 23, 2012, 05:12:17 PM

We pretty much insist on PDF files these days. Can't remember the last native job I did but I do remember it was in Quark Pagemaker.


Fixed
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Grimace on April 24, 2012, 10:16:02 AM

Has anybody had the cajones to just tell clients outright "Look, we're not jumping on the latest & greatest version until it's been out for a while. Save your files back to the most recent previous version, or follow our PDF Guidelines."

Stop the Madness!!!!  :drunk3: :drunk3: :death: :drunk3: :drunk3: :banana: :drunk3: :drunk3:


We have an outside vendor that insists that we send the Illy CS3 files only. They won't even take a PDF. So, kinda what you said, but not really.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: andyfest on April 24, 2012, 12:48:23 PM
adob รจ, n. Unburnt brick dried in the sun. Sounds about right...
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on April 24, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
The beauty of this whole scam is that it includes Acrobat X and in just a few short months Adobe will release CS 6.5 with Acrobat XI. Early adoption is not one of my favorite things but if you don't upgrade to each new version it ends up costing the same or more if you skip a version when you do finally upgrade. Adobe has you by the short hairs no matter what you do.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: WharfRat on April 24, 2012, 04:18:33 PM
I thought it was just announced for pre-order today
do you have a link to download live applications?

MSD
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: david on April 24, 2012, 04:32:04 PM
it is just the pre-order for now...
or, you can go ahead and buy CS5.5 and get CS6 for free... for a mere 1200 bucks    :shocked:
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: frailer on April 24, 2012, 10:38:14 PM
I wonder if anyone has clocked the upgrade timeline. I bet they have it set to something like 0.8 x the length of the previous upgrade. It's geometric, not linear.   :angry:  I try hard not to harbour malign feelings towards Adobe, but it's becoming harder.  And that's not including the outa phase Acrobat releases that Joe mentions. GRRR!
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Slappy on April 25, 2012, 12:22:00 AM
I was looking at the pricing structure for their "cloud" subscription option (makes me throw up a little more every time I hear that term) and it's actually cheaper for somebody using single licenses, especially given the shorter release time between each version. For shops that have to carry multiple licenses for workstations though, boned.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on April 25, 2012, 12:34:07 AM
I just watched one of their videos about the "Cloud". User can use the apps from any device, PC's, Macs, tablets, phones...any device with web access. So it is bring the reality of us getting jobs that were created from designers phones. :death:

You can get the whole Master Collection for $49 per month ($588 per year). That's not a bad deal if you are one that uses it a lot. Cheaper than trying to keep up with their 12-18 month release cycle.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Grimace on April 25, 2012, 10:13:26 AM
I can't wait until I get a Indy file that won't open in 5.5

The only reason we "upgraded" to CS5.5 was because of version to version incompatibility.

Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Farabomb on April 25, 2012, 11:31:23 AM
I posted in another thread. Adobe is now going to a yearly cycle. "Major" releases (6,7,8) every 2 years and 6.5,7.5,ect. every year between them. So expect to shell out money every year to keep current.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: gnubler on April 25, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
Beats a 28 day cycle.  :hangme:
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Farabomb on April 26, 2012, 09:17:51 AM
Think my boss is on a 28 minute cycle.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: youston on April 27, 2012, 06:55:33 AM

So it is bring the reality of us getting jobs that were created from designers phones. :death:


You know, I try to cut you some slack, due to you being the keeper of the keys and flipper of the lightswitches here, but you've colored WAY outside the lines here.  :police:
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Farabomb on April 27, 2012, 09:45:43 AM
That wasn't Joe, it was the Chinese hacker that posted that one.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on April 27, 2012, 10:45:54 AM
It did sound a little like a Chinese person that doesn't quite grasp the language yet. I think Farabomb is right.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: gnubler on April 30, 2012, 04:22:21 PM
It reads like Neue Amerikan.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: DigiCorn on April 30, 2012, 04:34:29 PM
Chickity China the Chinese Chicken (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd4XaLwXpLQ#)
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Possum on May 01, 2012, 04:55:07 PM
I can just see somebody subscribing to the Cloud, then Apple will make some big change in their OS or hardware again, and the next Adobe upgrade will only work with the new stuff. So it will be get new computers or el-tough-o. Either that or scramble for CS DVDs on Amazon before the older version is gone. What joy.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on May 01, 2012, 05:14:31 PM
I would also like to know what happens if you lose your internet connection. You can't use CS6?
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Possum on May 01, 2012, 05:47:58 PM
I've already seen complaints on the Adobe forums on that subject. They way they have trouble with their activation servers, I can imagine what the Cloud would be like.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: gnubler on May 01, 2012, 06:03:08 PM

I would also like to know what happens if you lose your internet connection. You can't use CS6?


Our internet never goes down or gets slow.  :sarcasm:
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Possum on May 02, 2012, 10:50:35 AM
I saw complaints when this subscription thing started on the Adobe forums. Some people couldn't get it to work for weeks. One guy never got to use his the whole first month, then Adobe cancelled his subscription. I'd hate to have to trust their servers to use software.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on May 02, 2012, 11:46:43 AM
Agreed but it doesn't even have to be the Adobe servers to go down. Lose your internet? Sorry I can't do any work today. :wtf:
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on May 02, 2012, 11:47:14 AM


I would also like to know what happens if you lose your internet connection. You can't use CS6?


Our internet never goes down or gets slow.  :sarcasm:


You lucky duck squirrel.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Farabomb on May 02, 2012, 11:55:12 AM

Agreed but it doesn't even have to be the Adobe servers to go down. Lose your internet? Sorry I can't do any work today. :wtf:


I think I need to use that excuse more often. I do live in the woods.  :dev2:
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Duffy on May 08, 2012, 03:08:17 PM
Just got this from an online discussion:


I hope you're all doing well and thanks for the lively discussion.

My name is Bing and I'm the Social Media lead for our Global Customer Success team here at Adobe. I'd like to help address some of the issues brought up in this forum.

For starters, we have a special introductory offer for existing customers who have a registered suite or individual product version of CS3, CS4 or CS5, CS5.5,
or CS6. These customers who join Creative Cloud (annual plan) by August 31, 2012 will receive the special introductory pricing of $29.99/mo for the first year of membership. Please see our special offer page here: https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a (https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a)...fer/?loc=en_US.

As for the question regarding needing constant internet connection, the correct answer.

"Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check."

This, and many other pertinent pieces of information can be found within our Creative Cloud Membership (CCM) FAQ here:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html. (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html.)

Regarding questions surrounding the Education piece of our new offering, please browse through our Creative Cloud Student & Teacher FAQ here:  http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html. (http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html.)

Finally, for those who are interested in Volume Licensing, the Creative Cloud Team memberships will become available later in 2012 through Adobe's network of corporate resellers. Creative Cloud Team is expected to cost US$840/seat based on a 12-month term membership. Exact details on Creative Cloud Team are still being defined.

Please don't hesitate to read through the following FAQ's and post additional questions as I'd be more than happy to assist answering.

CCM FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html)
Switch to the Cloud special offer: https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a (https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a)...fer/?loc=en_US
Student and Teacher Creative Cloud FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html (http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html)
CS6 FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...ndard/faq.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...ndard/faq.html)
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on May 08, 2012, 03:23:24 PM

Just got this from an online discussion:


I hope you're all doing well and thanks for the lively discussion.

My name is Bing and I'm the Social Media lead for our Global Customer Success team here at Adobe. I'd like to help address some of the issues brought up in this forum.

For starters, we have a special introductory offer for existing customers who have a registered suite or individual product version of CS3, CS4 or CS5, CS5.5,
or CS6. These customers who join Creative Cloud (annual plan) by August 31, 2012 will receive the special introductory pricing of $29.99/mo for the first year of membership. Please see our special offer page here: https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a (https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a)...fer/?loc=en_US.

As for the question regarding needing constant internet connection, the correct answer.

"Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check."

This, and many other pertinent pieces of information can be found within our Creative Cloud Membership (CCM) FAQ here:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html. (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html.)

Regarding questions surrounding the Education piece of our new offering, please browse through our Creative Cloud Student & Teacher FAQ here:  http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html. (http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html.)

Finally, for those who are interested in Volume Licensing, the Creative Cloud Team memberships will become available later in 2012 through Adobe's network of corporate resellers. Creative Cloud Team is expected to cost US$840/seat based on a 12-month term membership. Exact details on Creative Cloud Team are still being defined.

Please don't hesitate to read through the following FAQ's and post additional questions as I'd be more than happy to assist answering.

CCM FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html)
Switch to the Cloud special offer: https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a (https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a)...fer/?loc=en_US
Student and Teacher Creative Cloud FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html (http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html)
CS6 FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...ndard/faq.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...ndard/faq.html)


Not sure I follow the logic of those two statements. The first one comes to $359.88 while I've heard the regular price is about $50 per month ($600 per year) after the first year introductory price. What are the benefits of paying $840 per year per seat with the "Creative Cloud Team"?
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Duffy on May 08, 2012, 03:29:52 PM


Just got this from an online discussion:


I hope you're all doing well and thanks for the lively discussion.

My name is Bing and I'm the Social Media lead for our Global Customer Success team here at Adobe. I'd like to help address some of the issues brought up in this forum.

For starters, we have a special introductory offer for existing customers who have a registered suite or individual product version of CS3, CS4 or CS5, CS5.5,
or CS6. These customers who join Creative Cloud (annual plan) by August 31, 2012 will receive the special introductory pricing of $29.99/mo for the first year of membership. Please see our special offer page here: https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a (https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a)...fer/?loc=en_US.

As for the question regarding needing constant internet connection, the correct answer.

"Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check."

This, and many other pertinent pieces of information can be found within our Creative Cloud Membership (CCM) FAQ here:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html. (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html.)

Regarding questions surrounding the Education piece of our new offering, please browse through our Creative Cloud Student & Teacher FAQ here:  http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html. (http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html.)

Finally, for those who are interested in Volume Licensing, the Creative Cloud Team memberships will become available later in 2012 through Adobe's network of corporate resellers. Creative Cloud Team is expected to cost US$840/seat based on a 12-month term membership. Exact details on Creative Cloud Team are still being defined.
Please don't hesitate to read through the following FAQ's and post additional questions as I'd be more than happy to assist answering.

CCM FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/faq.html)
Switch to the Cloud special offer: https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a (https://creativecloud-specialoffer.a)...fer/?loc=en_US
Student and Teacher Creative Cloud FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html (http://www.adobe.com/education/produ...tivecloud.html)
CS6 FAQ:  http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...ndard/faq.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creati...ndard/faq.html)


Not sure I follow the logic of those two statements. The first one comes to $359.88 while I've heard the regular price is about $50 per month ($600 per year) after the first year introductory price. What are the benefits of paying $840 per year per seat with the "Creative Cloud Team"?


I think it was the TBD line... they really did not want to talk money which makes it almost impossible to go and ask for it :banghead:
At this point can't give a 2 year projected cost and that is what I wanted to find out so I can ask for money... waiting till something real comes out I guess.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: andyfest on May 08, 2012, 03:48:29 PM
"Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check."

What a pile of bullshit. Because of the work we do in the pharma trade, NONE of our loaded workstations are connected on-line and we're not allowed to be EVER. So wtf now Adobe?
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on May 08, 2012, 05:11:55 PM

"Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check."

What a pile of bullshit. Because of the work we do in the pharma trade, NONE of our loaded workstations are connected on-line and we're not allowed to be EVER. So wtf now Adobe?


Sounds like they acted before thinking it through. They probably just can't comprehend a computer without internet access. But I think you can still get the boxed version of CS6 without "The Cloud". I'm betting it will probably be the last version where the boxed version is available. Well, maybe 6.5 but from 7 on I'll bet the could is your only option.

Still, on the pricing structure, we have 14 licenses of CS 5.5. If we upgrade to the cloud, the first year will run us $5038.32. After the first year, assuming it is $50 per year it will be $8400 per year. :wow:

If we just upgrade to the CS6 boxed version it will run us $5250 and will last until whenever the next version is released. Either way Adobe is the big winner in this ripoff operation.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: t-pat on May 08, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
funny about the pharma work, I guess it doesn't matter if they broker it out to places like this where everyything is connected to the internet. And the last place I worked. And the place before that. Great security there.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: andyfest on May 08, 2012, 09:55:49 PM
At our facility there are two laptops connected to high speed for email and FTP, but they are independent of the internal workstation network. Our clients are very paranoid about security. Inspections happen frequently.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: t-pat on May 08, 2012, 10:59:28 PM
I wonder what the brokers tell big pharma. Worked on their stuff for years thru brokers. Probably just lie, like they are known to do.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Farabomb on May 09, 2012, 09:17:25 AM
Same here, we do pharma work and financial for other shops. I was told I'd have to sign a NDA but I haven't seen one yet. Only place I worked where I had to sign a NDA was when we were doing the materials for the Mercedes SLR McLaren.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Duffy on May 09, 2012, 10:24:29 AM
Here is the latest info I got from Adobe on the CS6 subscription for site and offline installations.
It answers some - but not all - of the questions.
Hope it helps.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: gnubler on May 09, 2012, 11:10:55 AM

What a pile of bullshit. Because of the work we do in the pharma trade, NONE of our loaded workstations are connected on-line and we're not allowed to be EVER. So wtf now Adobe?


You beat me to it.

"ilcense status check" my azz.

Everything smells more and more like Skynet with each passing day.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: DigiCorn on May 09, 2012, 12:13:56 PM

Everything smells more and more like Skynet with each passing day.
wait a minute...

skynet

the cloud

well played, apple. thinly veiled, but we're on to you

(http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tin-foil-hat.jpg)
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: gnubler on May 09, 2012, 12:26:16 PM
That's my pussy!
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Slappy on May 10, 2012, 01:19:37 AM

"Because your Creative Suite applications are installed directly on your computer, you will not need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis. However, you will need to be online when you install and license your software, and at least once every 30 days thereafter. The software will alert you when you need to connect to the Internet for a license status check."

What a pile of bullshit. Because of the work we do in the pharma trade, NONE of our loaded workstations are connected on-line and we're not allowed to be EVER. So wtf now Adobe?

Yeah, in my Wife's place of business (an ad agency) they have a secure area that does work for govt. agencies and it's just that - SECURE. The people in that environment only have internet access as allowed in a SCIF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_Compartmented_Information_Facility), and I wonder how this kind of limitation will affect running software that requires checks to an un-secure outside server. I'll have to remember to ask her if they plan on upgrading all their workstations or not.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: gnubler on May 10, 2012, 10:46:16 AM
Every time my Adobe Updater runs I cancel it.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: beermonster on May 15, 2012, 03:31:57 AM
dumm ass question - this cloud con...errr release - some guy here is insisting you've been able to use creative suite in the same manner for quite some time - is that true?

i don't know that it's been possible - he insists it has
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Joe on May 15, 2012, 10:36:38 AM
Hi beer....

Not that I know of.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Possum on May 15, 2012, 10:47:56 AM
There's some kind of Digital Publishing Suite that started last year that required some kind of subscription so that publishers could collaborate and upload stuff, but I don't think it involved the actual applications themselves.
Title: Re: CS6 Released today
Post by: Possum on May 16, 2012, 10:09:39 AM
Interesting. Last night I got sent a survey from a survey group I joined to make a little extra cash. Turns out it from Adobe, asking questions like do you plan to upgrade to CS6, what new features do you think you'll like, do you plan to start a subscription, etc. Seems to me they should have been asking this stuff before they changed all their upgrade policies and went up in the clouds. Oh, well, made $3 off the survey.