Fuck fucking MS, man. I set up my MAME machine to run 10, and MS fucked me over on the free upgrade. Even though I downloaded an .iso, burned a disk and made a clean install, they wouldn't give me a key without making me buy it first. I had a hardware issue where it kept locking up, so I swapped motherboards and added RAM, and that's why they fucked me. If you do the free upgrade, you can't upgrade your hardware... like ever... or else they make you buy a new license.
...then, on my main computer running 8.1, they did a fucking upgrade that basically wiped all .exes unless they were branded MS. Yeah. And not only did it wipe and reset my restore backup, it wiped my NAS , the .exe for all NAS software, and all access to my NAS, so I couldn't roll it back. I contacted support, and in much nicer terms, they said," I'm fucked," without offering any compensation. I literally lost dozens of pieces of legitimate software I paid for, was legal and licensed and had downloaded.
I have spent the last week rebuilding this box on 10 (fuck it... I went ahead and did the upgrade from 8.1 to 10 since I got wiped anyway). All my files remained (docs, pics, etc.) but I lost ALL .exes that weren't MS (All of Adobe CS 5, ALL my DVD burning software (DVD Fab), ALL my video editing software (Nero), Plex (which was a paid-for app from the MS Store), PlayON, my TomTom GPS software... even the Leap Frog shit I had on here for my kids' toys.). Bunch of fucking bullshit, man.
I doubt the upgrade deleted your .exe files. If it was the internet would have lost it's collective shit and we would have heard about it by now. What is more probable is that you managed to get a rather nasty virus that went after your .exe files.
You have just made it clear why I have all those old drives and externals I use as backup and park on the shelf.
Any chance you have antivirus installed and running? I've had that delete .exe and other important files on my systems before.
I kind of have to agree with Farbomb. I've updated 5 PC's from either Win 7 or Win 8.1 and never had any of the issues you have had.
As far as the MAME box....wasn't that running Vista? Vista was never offered as a free upgrade.
What You Need to Know About Upgrading a Windows Vista PC to Windows 10 (http://www.howtogeek.com/220996/what-you-need-to-know-about-upgrading-a-windows-vista-pc-to-windows-10/)
Microsoft won't be offering a free Windows 10 upgrade to any old Windows Vista PCs you might have around. Only Windows 7 and 8.1 PCs get to join the new Windows 10 era for free.
But Windows 10 will certainly run on those Windows Vista PCs. After all, Windows 7, 8.1, and now 10 are all more lightweight and faster operating systems than Vista is.
The Cost
Upgrading a Windows Vista PC to Windows 10 will cost you. Microsoft is charging $119 for a boxed copy of Windows 10 you can install on any PC.
Still considering upgrading? You might have used — or still be using — the Windows 10 preview as a "Windows Insider." Microsoft has made some confusing statements, but the reality is that you won't be able to upgrade to the final release of Windows 10 unless you have a Windows 7 or 8.1 license. Windows Vista licenses aren't allowed to upgrade.
However, it seems you can continue using preview releases of Windows as a Windows Insider. If you upgraded a Windows Vista machine to the Windows 10 preview, it'll remain on the unstable, preview release path unless you pay for a Windows 10 license. Want to use Windows 10 for free on a Windows Vista-era PC? Stay on the unstable, Windows Insider testing builds! You'll continue getting new features before everyone else — but they won't always be stable.
It's Time For a Hardware Upgrade, Not a Software Upgrade
If Windows 10 was free, it'd be a fine upgrade for your old Windows Vista PCs. But it isn't. So you have to consider whether $119 for a Windows 10 license is really worth it.
Windows 7 was launched in July 2009, which means all those Windows Vista PCs out there will be six to eight years old when Windows 10 launches.
Those Windows Vista PCs are getting quite long in the tooth and lack modern processors, graphics hardware, and — most importantly — solid-state storage. Modern computers are becoming less and less expensive. There's a good chance you can get a laptop or desktop PC that comes with Windows 10 for just a few hundred bucks. At $119 just for a Windows 10 license, it's really not worth the upgrade unless you have a big, beefy, powerful PC that for some reason still runs Windows Vista. But, even if it was powerful back then, that old PC has been far surpassed by modern hardware.
That $119 you'd put toward a software upgrade just isn't worth it — you'll get much more improvement out of a hardware upgrade. Yes, it costs more than $119, but you're better off putting that $119 toward some new hardware that will come with Windows 10 and saving up for a while.
If you do decide to shell out for a Windows 10 license, you'll have to perform a clean install instead of an upgrade install. You should back up your files ahead of time. Windows won't attempt to automatically migrate your settings and files.
When an Upgrade Might Be Worth It
If you plan on building your own computer instead of buying one that comes with Windows 10, you'll need to buy a Windows 10 license anyway. So, if you are sure you're building your own computer, you could buy a Windows 10 license now, install Windows 10 on your Vista computer, and then remove Windows 10 from your old computer when you get a new PC and use the Windows 10 license on the new computer. That's the only situation where it would make sense to upgrade a Windows Vista computer to Windows 10 — and most people won't even want to build their own PCs.
Corporations with Windows volume-licensing agreements will also get access to Windows 10, and they could upgrade their Windows Vista PCs to Windows 10 for what might be no extra licensing cost. This might be worth it.
If, somehow, you can get your hands on a cheap Windows 10 retail license, you could absolutely use it to upgrade an existing Windows Vista PC. As long as you remove it from the old PC in the future, you can then use that license to install Windows 10 on a new PC.
Vista PCs Get Security Updates Until 2017
Windows Vista is still under "extended support" until April 11, 2017. This means your old Windows Vista PCs are still getting security updates for a few more years. They aren't completely unsupported, like Windows XP PCs are.
If you are on Vista, you have some time before your PC becomes completely unsupported. Modern software does still support Windows Vista, too. Vista will never get Microsoft's Edge browser, but it can use the latest versions of Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox just fine.
Those old Windows Vista PCs can make good Linux PCs, too.
Yes, if Microsoft offered Windows 10 for free — or even for a small fee — to Windows Vista computer, it would be worth the upgrade. But, even then, you'd probably want to consider replacing that aging hardware anyway. If you're still using a Windows Vista-era PC, Microsoft wants to encourage you to upgrade your hardware to have a better experience with Windows 10.
In some cases, hardware may not work properly if the manufacturer fails to provide Windows 10 drivers but does provide Windows Vista drivers. But Windows Vista and 10 have similar driver architectures — the big change was from Windows XP to Vista — so this problem shouldn't be as common as was with the shift from Windows XP to Windows 7.
Has anyone played with 10 yet? All my honest OSes are too old to qualify for the free upgrade so I haven't played around with 10 yet.
Ok, not that I'm replaying Fallout 3 has anything to do with it.
Wait, I think my netbook is running 7...
I like it but one annoying thing that I can't seem to get straightened out is on my XBMC PC hooked to my TV. When I switch from speakers to bluetooth and back I almost always lose the sound and have to reboot. Or if I just switch from HDMI2 (XBMC PC) to HDMI1 (TV) I lose the sound on the TV which is directed through my PC speakers via the headphone jack. Other than that everything has been fine. And running on an SSD it takes about 10 seconds to boot after pushing the power button.
wow joe, im having the same issue, i thought it was just my old hardware.
same thing, routes audio output to the MB speaker or on-board jacks. sound card still shows up as active, but it takes a reboot to get the audio back to the proper output port.
all the apps that worked in 7 still seem to function properly. not crazy about tying a MS account into it for full functionality, but since it is a legit copy..
other than that, 10 has been very nice.
Funny, I used to have a similar sound issue when I was using the Laptop to drive the TV. I'd bring it upstairs at night to watch netflix and sometimes it wouldn't switch from the HMDI sound to the internal speakers. I'd have to go into the sound and set the laptop speakers as default to get sound back. For a long time I was just rebooting and it would come back most of the time but it was quite annoying.
Quote from: delooch on September 21, 2015, 08:29:27 AMwow joe, im having the same issue, i thought it was just my old hardware.
same thing, routes audio output to the MB speaker or on-board jacks. sound card still shows up as active, but it takes a reboot to get the audio back to the proper output port.
all the apps that worked in 7 still seem to function properly. not crazy about tying a MS account into it for full functionality, but since it is a legit copy..
other than that, 10 has been very nice.
Yeah if you google Win 10 sound problems you'll see a lot of others have the same issues and many have posted fixes. None of which works for me. I have the typical VIA sound built into the MB and I think a lot of the problems are with that hardware setup. VIA sound is built into almost every MB on the planet I think. I've tried the MS generic sound drivers up through the VIA Win 10 drivers and all of them seem to have the same problems.
Oh yeah, the Microsoft account. You don't have to use it. You can still run Win 10 with just a local account though they don't make it easy for you to figure it out.
I'm going to have to read up on that option Joe. I want m$ in my life just as much as I want the government in it.
I've been watching person of interest lately so that's really not helping my feelings. <tinfoilhat>
Quote from: Farabomb on September 21, 2015, 09:38:12 AMI'm going to have to read up on that option Joe. I want m$ in my life just as much as I want the government in it.
I've been watching person of interest lately so that's really not helping my feelings. <tinfoilhat>
if you really want to freak out, take a moment and log into your google account settings (if you use google)...into the history (not just websites, GPS tracking, etc..) it will show you EVERYTHING youve ever done under that account, since forever...
I believe you can turn that option off.
I'm glad I couldn't find the history button. The GPS got the town correct but are way off on location.
That innocent little Facebook Like button isn't so innocent either. It has code that tracks everywhere you go on the internet and feeds ads accordingly to you.
need a new tinfoil hat...
Better get two. It's not going to get any better any time soon.
That's why I avoid FB like the plague. That reminds me, I have to make a foil sleeve for my new chipped credit card. Not sure if it matters, but I want to be safe.
just keep it next to your cell phone... that'l fix it right up
Yeah, I have 2 of the tracking devices in my pocket. I have a RFID bag for those as well.
That old MAME box was running Vista, but I did upgrade it to 10. I tried to BS my way through, but since I swapped out the motherboard, MS was all like, "Fuck you, asshole." I ended up buying a disk on Amazon for like $120. My "free" 8.1 upgrade to 10 was the box that got hosed. I had Windows Defender, and MalwareBytes running on it. No virus should have been able to penetrate and delete me .exes; I'm 100% sure it was Windows Defender that did it during the software upgrade before I went to 10. I have since upgraded it to 10, and recovered a few things, and reinstalled a few things, but I still lost a ton of apps (not files).
10 isn't all that different from 8, but with more of a 7 feel to it. It boots way faster, but the live apps/tiles like on 8 kind of suck still.
It isn't a virus that deleted the files, it's the anti-virus software that does it.
Vista doesn't allow a free upgrade to 10.
yes, but with a new motherboard, and hard drive, they'd never know what i was running before with a windows .iso burned to dvd. so they just deny everything, even though i technically had a registered 8.1 box on file with them.
You can't get a free upgrade without a valid Win 7 or Win 8.1 product key so if you would have had 8.1 on the machine you replaced the mb and hard drive you would have to use that product key to do a clean install of Win 10. But since you only had a Vista product key you can't use it to do a clean install of Win 10. There is no way around that.
This.
As long as it's a valid key (not keygen) you won't have issue.
Today I have just updated my windows to 10 and I am happy now that I can use Instagram from desktop!
Happy to use instagram? :o
Recently got my laptop upgraded to 10. If I connect it to the TV via HDMI, the only option to see anything on the TV screen is "Extended desktop". If I want to have the same picture both on the laptop screen as well as on the TV, the TV shows "Invalid Signal".
By the way, who is the brainiac that decided to make the media player unusable for Win 10? Now you only have two options: 1. You download FLV-player or any other kind of free stuff, or 2. Go to their new store and pay for their new player. I guess, that is where they want you to go. Give you the free update and let you pay for every little piece of software afterwards.
One of the good things about 10 is that you can change the system language, so now even my wife can use my computer without problems.
Microsofts Media Player has always sucked. There are far better free ones such as VLC.
I would guess the video issue is that maybe the video adapter is the problem? I have a Win 10 desktop hooked up to an HD monitor and an HD TV and it seems to work fine on it.
VLC for the win. It's the only player you need.
Not really sure about what's the problem with my TV, but as long as I can get it somehow to work I'm satisfied already. It's just like another day at work.
I have experienced more issues with VLC than with Media Player so I somehow miss it. But I'm not a frequent user, anyway. I just use it to watch a DVD from time to time or listen to some music and that's it.
and Porn. :dev2:
Did I not write "watch a DVD"? :banana:
Too much evidence for me, I just go find it.
I've never had any issues with VLC. It will play almost any kind of file imaginable. I'd give it another try with Win 10.
Here is a tip if you are buying a new PC and want Windows 10...
Buy one that has Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 installed on it. All of the manufacturers load their name brand PC's with a lot trialware and bloatware that no one in there right mind needs or wants. The goal here is to get a FREE clean install of Windows without all the crap manufacturers put on them. If you buy a PC that already has Windows 10 on it...well sorry but I think you're stuck with it.
Once booted up activate the version of Windows that came with the PC if it isn't already activated and then go to this Microsoft link:
Windows 10 Upgrade (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-upgrade?&SEMID=1&WT.srch=1&ocid=Win10Upgrade_SEM_GOO_MSBranded_ACTV_en-US_sitelink&wt.mc_id=Win10Upgrade_SEM_GOO_MSBranded_ACTV_en-US_sitelinkpm=pse_ggl&SEMID=1&WT.srch=1&ocid=Win10Upgrade_SEM_GOO_MSBranded_ACTV_en-US_win%2010%20upgrade&wt.mc_id=Win10Upgrade_SEM_GOO_MSBranded_ACTV_en-US_win%2010%20upgrade)
On that page, under "Upgrade" click the button that says "Get Started". That will download a file named "GWXWebWindows.exe". Run it and follow the instructions. You'll eventually get to the where it is downloading Windows 10. When it is done it will start the installer and you will get the chance to tell it what to keep from the PC you are using (the new one loaded with trial and bloat ware). Tell it to keep nothing. This will wipe everything away and install a pristine copy of Windows 10 that will already be activated when the install is done.
I just did this on two Acer Inspire PC's that came with Windows 8.1 on them loaded with crap and it worked great. Now they are both useable PCs that have zero trialware, bloatware and crapware on them.
Quote from: Joe on October 09, 2015, 10:35:16 PMNow they are both useable PCs that have zero trialware, bloatware and crapware on them.
now that's just plain wrong... nobody wants a usable pc...
:rotf:
Come on...I was expecting the first reply to be someone saying Windows 10 is crapware! :rotf:
missed it by that much...
Usually the crapware is sitting in front of the computer... :cane:
Only in the sales office.
and management.
CSR's
ok, everywhere but most of prepress.
I am now running 10 on 2 of my 4 machines at home. It fucking wiped out all my apps that weren't MS, so I lost InDesign and Acrobat (full version) but I was able to rescue Illy and PhotoShop (I shouldn't have them anyway). Other than the fact that Defender fucking tries to erase every .nzb I download, I like it. I like it a lot.
I did have one friend mention something about it searching your drives for illegal files. That's why he won't install it.
That's why I'm installing 7 and 8.1 on 2 of the old boxes here.
10 is a bitch. It's a real bastard and fights nzbs with a passion. Hard to keep up on stuff (I don't want to pay for).