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Title: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 27, 2016, 11:18:24 AM
It's a sad thing but I've been out of the PC building thing for a while so I'm really, really behind. My last build was Core 2 Duo LGA 775 on an ASUS maximus formula SE with a pair of Radeon 4800's and 6 g of DDR2 (remember that old ass stuff?). She's been good but I think it's time to upgrade.

I'm pretty sure my PSU is in the 850 - 900 w range and a Corsair so I should be able to recycle that. The lian-li case I love but cases have some a long way since I spent too much money on that aluminum thing. I can get a new CPU but the quad cores are $250 and that just gets me to the bottom rung of the ladder. I think I need a new MB, CPU and sadly a new GPU. The tons of HDDs I have can be transferred.

It's mainly the GPU and CPU I need help with. I know I can go and spend a ton of money and get a great system but I was always a bit behind the bleeding edge for my wallet's sake. The MB will be a ASUS, the chip intel and from what I read, Nvidia GPU. Just need to know what is the best bang for my buck.

All this because I bought a game without looking at the minimum specs first. Never had that problem before.  :undecided:
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 27, 2016, 11:30:30 AM
The Intel Core i7 is the best CPU but you can probably get by with an i5. The i7 runs from the $290 dollar range if you can find one on sale up to $1700 for the high end. The i5 can be had for $180 - $300. I would stay away from the i3 for a gaming system though.

GPU's? You get what you pay for basically. I trust the guys at the Tom's Hardware site: Tom's Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html)

RAM? These days 16 gb is about the minimum. You can get by with 8 GB in a normal PC but for gaming I would definitely want 16 GB minimum.

Your PSU should be fine.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: delooch on December 27, 2016, 11:41:15 AM
i picked up a dell desktop through work with an i7, 8gb ram.. dropped a geforce gtx1050 and another 8gb ram and the thing seems to play everything on max with minimal struggle. I think the i7 churns through anything without issue.  the kid is a GTA5 and rocket league addict, its nice watching him ditch the XBone for the desktop rig.  me, i used to game but now i run from anything with a KB attached...
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 27, 2016, 12:37:22 PM
I was getting pissed this weekend. PC gaming is definitely a PITA but I do prefer it. My old logitech controller is sketchy so that leaves car games out, tough it does seem to be OK most of the time with rocket league. I'm miffed I have to buy a dongle just to use a xbox 360 controller.

I'm probably going to start looking at the i5's. The i7 is nice but unless I can get it as a crack gift from one of my friends upgrading, I think i5 is the way I'm going. Well, unless in my reading it convinces me otherwise. I will have to replace my thermalright cooler but I'm not sure I want to go back to watercooling. Yeah it was neat back in the day when you have to build your own stuff and had the choice of a few waterblocks. I'd be more inclined to use my old system and watercool it, seeing and the NB already has a waterblock on it.

The woman will realize she made a mistake after giving me my 6tb drive for x-mas. Saying "what else do we need" means new computer time.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: delooch on December 27, 2016, 12:42:13 PM
Quote from: Farabomb date=1482860242 link=msg=286924

The woman will realize she made a mistake after giving me my 6tb drive for x-mas. Saying "what else do we need" means new computer time.


she cant really expect you to mix the old hardware with the new hardware, right?

MS got smart with the One and the controllers work on pc with just a cable. still a KB/Mouse player though.

im chugging through alien isolation at the moment, the game is intense, but is sometimes beyond my attention span.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 27, 2016, 01:27:20 PM
Finished bioshock yesterday, last week I finished Call of Juarez: bound in blood. Still have a ton of backlogged games but a lot of them I have to binge play or I loose interest.

OK, it's not interest it's I forget where the hell I am.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 27, 2016, 01:37:54 PM
Welcome aboard. :cane:
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 27, 2016, 03:44:15 PM
CRS is a family trait and I had it before I turned 40. Now it's just much worse. I can barley get through 2 episodes of anything on netflix before I'm asleep.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: AaronH on December 27, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
I've got a similar problem. I have to binge play anything these days or I end up making a new character/starting over when I pick it back up again. I finally beat the main quest line in Skyrim last September.

Regarding PC building, I'm about a year behind so I may be little help. Last year I was contemplating replacing my Asus gaming laptop with an inexpensive setup and did a ton of research. An article I read, I believe on Tom's Hardware, spoke about gaming not necessarily requiring quad core CPUs yet and that you can get more bang for your buck if you get a faster, 3.5+ GHz dual core. Old information I know, but it could be of help. Maybe?  :-\

My laptop is a bit old, a 2010 Asus g73sw but it still runs most games alright with an i7 quad core with 2.9 GHz turbo boost, 8 GB DDR3 and an NVidia GTX 460M with 1.5 GB DDR5. New games it probably would laugh at however.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 27, 2016, 06:12:45 PM
I can play my games on a 286. Commander Keen, Cosmo's Cosmic Adventure, Crystal Caves, Realms of Chaos, Arctic Adventure, Paganitzu, Jack Nicklaus Golf. :rotf:
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 28, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
Technically, you can play Commander Keen on a 8088.

The game I bought, the minimum specs are a quad 3g CPU. I know it's probably overkill but it's been a long, LONG time since I upgraded and I'm feeling the itch. The MB and video card are going to be the hard decisions. I was planning on doing some research but now I get the privlege of driving out to a customer's house a hour away from here and a hour away from my house on my gas putting miles on my car... Actually, that's a good thing because bindery is being extra friendly and crazy as a shithouse rat so it will be good that I'm gone.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 28, 2016, 01:25:34 PM
Damn, ASUS not getting amazing writeups. I may have to actually look into another manufacturer. I've had nothing but bad times with MSI boards but maybe times have changed.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 28, 2016, 03:44:55 PM
I think I've had both bad and good ones from them all. I think it all depends on luck if the shipping guy pulls the right one off of the shelf.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Slappy on December 28, 2016, 09:58:04 PM
If you're still shopping components, pcpartpicker.com is a good resource. Forums are pretty friendly, good advice and large library of member's existing builds too.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 29, 2016, 08:20:37 AM
I'm going to be parts shopping for a while. It normally takes me a good few months to sort out what I want. I will give that place a look though. Last night was the woman's band practice so I had a lot of time alone to read up and get bad ideas in my head. Watercooling has come a long, long way from when I was hacking together aquarium parts. I'm dumb enough to actually consider it now.

Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Slappy on December 29, 2016, 10:52:24 AM
Yeah, closed loop watercooling is the idi0t's way to go. Corsair makes some nice relatively cheap systems but honestly, unless you're overclocking, I find it to be an unnecessary expense. I agree with Joe about the i5 processors too, plenty powerful for most games unless, again, you're into having an eXtrEmE Build and then the i7 takes over.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 29, 2016, 11:08:50 AM
Dammit, I was leaning on the i7 because of cache and more unlocked CPU options. My present computer isn't overclocked only because I'm happy It's playing nice. It's developed a pause in the bootup for some unknown reason. Quickboot is on but there is a obvious change from how fast it used to boot. This was present before the 6Tb drive so I doubt it's that. I may get bored and OC it a little bit. All the hardware in it is up to the task, I just have to remember what all the BIOS settings actually do.

I know I won't need it but if I don't get a board and chip that doesn't have overclocking I'm going to be mad at myself. Same with the watercooling but I'm still on the fence. Since it will be parked behind my TV I won't see it so the window and pretty tubing. I'm presently aircooling and it's quiet enough though the thermalright block is the size of a honda civic radiator. I will have to take a look at my options for both types of cooling and decide.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 29, 2016, 02:58:22 PM
Yeah, after doing the math I'm not going to go with water. I would been to cool the CPU and GPU and the blocks alone puts me over even the most robust air solution. Maybe if I'm feeling frisky I'll dig through my boxes of computer crap and get a system together for my old rig. That came from the factory with a waterblock on the NB and I know I have a few CPU blocks laying around.

Holy shit you can spend some money on MBs now. After perusing the ASUS site and saying neat a whole bunch of times I googled the model numbers. I've spent $250+ on boards before but $500+? Damn that's expensive. I could remember back when manufacturers didn't give 2 shits about overclocking and specialty boards were few and far between. Yeah, this is going to take a few months to sort out.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 29, 2016, 05:18:46 PM
Quote from: Farabomb date=1483041502 link=msg=286984

Yeah, after doing the math I'm not going to go with water. I would been to cool the CPU and GPU and the blocks alone puts me over even the most robust air solution. Maybe if I'm feeling frisky I'll dig through my boxes of computer crap and get a system together for my old rig. That came from the factory with a waterblock on the NB and I know I have a few CPU blocks laying around.

Holy shit you can spend some money on MBs now. After perusing the ASUS site and saying neat a whole bunch of times I googled the model numbers. I've spent $250+ on boards before but $500+? Damn that's expensive. I could remember back when manufacturers didn't give 2 shits about overclocking and specialty boards were few and far between. Yeah, this is going to take a few months to sort out.


And by the time you get it sorted it will have all changed yet again! :banghead:
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 30, 2016, 08:51:35 AM
I've kicked over some info that bothers me. The current intel desktop chip, sky lake, will only have win7 and 8.1 support for about a year. The new one coming down the pipe, kaby lake, will only be supported by windows 10. It's mainly the security updates that are the problem. I believe it will run 7/8.1 but will not be secure.

I also ran across some of my tinfoil hat buddies that insist the NSA paid M$ to have their own spyware baked into windows 10. Now even for me I think that's a bit of a stretch but I also wouldn't put it past them. Here's (http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/) a little article that pulls out the part of the ToS that says we're spying on you and if we think you're doing anything naughty we're going to tell on you. I know people will say they don't have anything to hide but with laws changing as quick as they do, you could be breaking laws and not even know it.

There is DDR4 that's going to become mainstream soon, the new kaby lake chip and probably 5 other things I haven't read about yet that will change in the time it takes me to decide. That or I'm just going to use the apple IIgs that's sitting at mom's house.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 09:32:28 AM
Doing a copy and find of that articles 'excerpt' from Windows 10 Terms of Service to the actual MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS does not find anything like that in their Terms of Service. There are more fake news stories out there about Windows 10 TOS than there was about the election.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

Their terms of service are no more invasive than Apple's, Linux's, or Android's. Probably less invasive than Androids.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 09:45:15 AM
Also I think on the subject of Security Updates for Skylake or any other processor is based upon the end support date of the OS by Microsoft. For Windows 7 that is in January 14, 2020. For Windows 8.1 that is January 10, 2023. On those days support will end for any and all chips that were ever supported.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 30, 2016, 10:27:51 AM
I've read different but that does not mean it's true. Yes, the OS has a end of support date of 2023 but
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Although Windows 7 will continue to receive updates until 2020, and Windows 8 until 2023, and in spite of the fact that these versions of Windows run quite happily on Skylake processors, Microsoft is discontinuing support for these versions of Windows on Skylake on July 17, 2017


I'm reading that as anyone running new chips and old OS are out of luck next year. It's going to be a race case seeing as most running new hardware is running new OSes but for people like me that prefer to stick with what I know, are left out in the cold. That just means there will seen be more unsecured bot nodes to be used in future election swings.

I know we can't all live in the past. I got a bit miffed when I opened the case on my workstation last night night and found 2 IDE drives not even hooked up. It was because they couldn't be, there is only one IDE channel and the system drive and optical was on it. I was planning on using that as a media server so now I just have to dig through the piles of drives for some SATA ones. Also found another core 2 duo system I forgot someone gave me. I really, really don't throw out anything. I'd bet there is a 486 MB and AT PSU sitting at mom's house.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 10:40:15 AM
I wasn't aware MS was doing that with the Skylake. If it makes you feel any better they actually moved that date to 2018:

Microsoft pushes back Windows 7 and 8 on Skylake support cut-off date from 2017 to 2018 (http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-pushes-back-windows-7-on-skylake-support-cut-off-date-from-2017-to-2018/)

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Despite the inevitable outpouring of grief and anger, this is actually a really good move for Microsoft, and an even better move for consumers. It will increase security, and ensure that older versions of Windows are put to pasture when they really ought to.


Yeah I know you like Win 7 and want to stick with it. I'm used to Win 10 now . It is not a bad OS but I can't tell you how it is with high end gaming since I don't use it for that. But it is pretty solid performance and security wise for everyday stuff. I know since I have upgraded the PC's at work to Win 10 there are fewer cases of malware infection than there were when they were running Windows 7. And I know it isn't because those people using it got any smarter. :sarcasm:

Another problem you might run into with a new motherboard is that it may not come with Win 7 system board drivers.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 30, 2016, 10:53:44 AM
The main reason I don't like 10 is the rumor of it deleting files it deems as illegal. I don't like the thought of it being able to delete files without my consent. What if it's a false positive? What if it's a project I'm working on. It's just as possible that it's just a rumor as well. I believe you can shut down a few services like cortina and it removes it's ability. I'm also stuck with having to buy the pro version of 10 just so I can choose when to apply updates. It may not seem like a big deal to most that have access to big fat data pipes and new hardware. Me up in the woods on crappy DSL and old hardware means I have to wait hours before I can use my damn computer again.

I do get it though, most users are id10ts and need all the help they can get. I understand the backwards compatibility thing about new chips. You can't progress if you have to make it work with old hardware. It causes instability and security holes that can be exploited. I still don't want to learn a new damn OS but I will be building 2 new ones so I can play around with new OSes and learn. 
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 11:13:52 AM
I've never seen Windows delete any of my files. Are you saying if someone got on your PC and lets say copied a library full of MP3's to your computer without your knowledge that Win 10 will delete them? I don't think it will do that but correct me if I am wrong.

It does disable some programs if it deems them outdated, security risks, etc...but it does not delete them. It just moves them elsewhere but only on major updates.

Windows 10 May Delete Your Programs Without Asking (http://www.howtogeek.com/243581/windows-10-may-delete-your-programs-without-asking/)
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 30, 2016, 11:20:58 AM
I got my info on that one from the general of the tinfoil hat brigade. I also remember Digi yelling that after an install of 10 things were missing. It could just be that it was disabled and hidden and I'd have no issue with that. I have some old games I own and I use no CD hacks on them mainly because I've lived through 2 floods and a fire so things are gone or in a box somewhere. I'd be pissed if those got deleted and I'd have to buy them again just to play them.

I did scan that article yesterday, I may have to give it read today.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 11:27:22 AM
It could be they won't run on Win 10 and you would have to buy them again, updated version for Win 10, anyway. Which is I guess another reason to stick with Win 7 if they are still running on it. Personally I think if you want to stick with Win 7 it may be wise to not go with the latest, greatest MB and CPU. Like I mentioned earlier...the latest and greatest probably don't include system drivers for Win 7 or 8 anyway.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 30, 2016, 11:34:31 AM
I keep looking at a core 2 Quad but in LGA775, they're not cheap. Maybe a haswell chip on the best board from 3 years ago chock full of RAM might work. It's got to be cheaper than what I'm looking at.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 11:48:47 AM
Quote from: Farabomb date=1483115671 link=msg=286995

I keep looking at a core 2 Quad but in LGA775, they're not cheap. Maybe a haswell chip on the best board from 3 years ago chock full of RAM might work. It's got to be cheaper than what I'm looking at.


Yeah it sucks but when you want older hardware the price is at a premium. SCSI drives are really expensive right now. ;D
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: Farabomb date=1483115671 link=msg=286995

I keep looking at a core 2 Quad but in LGA775, they're not cheap. Maybe a haswell chip on the best board from 3 years ago chock full of RAM might work. It's got to be cheaper than what I'm looking at.


The other downside to doing this is that future games won't run on it. Damned if you do...damned if you don't.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 02:43:27 PM
Damn you fb....you've got me looking at upgrading my pc(s)! :git off mah lawn:
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on December 30, 2016, 03:42:27 PM
Heh, heh.

I know, it sucks. Then I look at the prices of my sky high dreams and it brings me back to earth a little.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on December 30, 2016, 05:20:50 PM
Yeah. Want a new CPU? Plan on getting a new motherboard too. And memory. And video card. And a new PSU. And what the hell get a new bigger SSD. And a new case to house it all. But you still have your old keyboard and mouse so it is still technically an upgrade. :rotf:
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: DigiCorn on January 03, 2017, 11:54:58 PM
I've had the same PC for going on 6+ years now. I built it on a Gigabyte board with an AMD 4-core and currently at 12GB RAM with room to add more. I started with 4, but I've added over the years. I originally built it on Vista, but went to 8 and then to 10. Shortly after building, I changed out one of the DVD ROMS for a blu-ray burner that I have used exactly 6 times to burn blu-rays. At one point, I did swap out the 500 GB HD for a 1TB, and stuck the 500 GB in as a backup. I do have 2 NAS attached; one is 4TB and the other is 8TB and is more of a true NAS than the other. It has it's own OS and can run Plex as a server. I'm pretty sure the whole system is close to dying; I leave it on 24/7 and reboot it every few weeks. My 1 TB Seagate went belly up about 5 months ago. I got a cheap AMD Radeon $75 1.5 GB video card that can run 1 DVI (my 24" LG monitor), 1 HDMI (connected to a 42" TV) and 1 VGA (not it use currently). The whole setup probably cost me a grand total of $800 (not including the cost of the TV). I bought all the parts new from Fry's Electronics except for the blu-ray burner and the video card. The TV I got used on FB from a neighbor for $40.

I did have CS5 on the machine in Vista and then on 8, but when I upgraded to 10, the install process wiped out all non-M$ software on my system. All of it was stuff I owned legally (except CS5), and had emails containing all the download links and serial numbers, so I spent several days re-downloading and reinstalling all my shit. It was a major PITA and inconvenience, and I am not looking forward to doing it again, but I may be doing it sooner than later.

I did take my Father In-Law's old XP box and upgraded it to 10 and it's my bar computer. It runs MAME, and feeds a 22" Acer monitor and a 32" VGA Samsung monitor. I have it hardwired to the internet because it's like 100 feet from the router. Since I work late, sometimes when I get home I just hang in the bar and stream hulu or netflix. Again, I got like a cheap 1.5GB video card on Amazon Prime Day for $30 and the processor is an AMD Turion 3 core. It's a little slow with noticeable lag when I run Duke Nuke'm and Killer Instinct. I have T-Pat's old XArcade connected for MAME and I use an XBox 360 controller for Dolphin and my other emulators/games. Most stuff runs fine. I found some RAM that fits, so it has 6GB RAM currently but I think all the slots are filled (2 x 2 and 2 x 1). I'm not a serious gamer, so it works fine for goofing around on Steam.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on January 04, 2017, 08:41:35 AM
If you or anyone needs RAM I'm pretty sure I have a bag of old stuff lying around. Nothing newer than DDR2, I know that. I pretty much only buy corsair and their lifetime warranty is a great thing. I've had a few sticks die and the RMA is 0 hassle. Last time they emailed saying we're sorry we don't make that 2g kit anymore; the closest would be the same sticks but 4g. I'm not going to say no to free RAM.

I did realize I only have a 650w and a 750w PSU. They are quality units (corsair and OCZ) but I wonder if a newer system would be more power hungry. I loved AMD chips and I have no issue with them in laptops but for some reason I need intel inside my builds. I loved them back in the day and smoked one or two pushing it a bit too far.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on January 04, 2017, 09:11:14 AM
Having an upgrade pork other software isn't surprising. What I worry about is it deleting files. It just removed the installs but didn't delete any files, correct? I remember you talking about something like that and that's what worries me.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on January 04, 2017, 10:06:36 AM
Quote from: Farabomb date=1483539074 link=msg=287046

Having an upgrade pork other software isn't surprising. What I worry about is it deleting files. It just removed the installs but didn't delete any files, correct? I remember you talking about something like that and that's what worries me.


Yeah I posted a link about it upthread just moving the programs elsewhere and disabling them.

As far as the PSU...650w to 750w should be plenty however if they are older they may not be putting out the power they used to. Lots of hard drives will draw a lot pf power though. Especially the old IDE drives.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on January 04, 2017, 10:42:25 AM
One hasn't been turned on in close to 7 years. The other has been running 24/7 for years pushing 2 video cards, 5 HDD's and some opticals. I may just give it a shot but the second I get any funky errors, I'll be getting a new one. Flaky PSUs do the weirdest shit.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on January 04, 2017, 10:51:50 AM
They sure do. It is much better when they just quit completely. You can chase problems around for a long time never suspecting a faulty PSU when as a last resort you replace and everything is all fixed. You can't even trust the PSU diagnostic tester at a computer shop. Those only show if it is dead or has power. At least the ones at my local PC shop anyway.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: DigiCorn on January 04, 2017, 06:46:25 PM
Oddly, it kept M$ Office intact.  :sarcasm:  (<-- was that even needed?)
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on January 04, 2017, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: DigiCorn link=msg=287076 date=1483573585

Oddly, it kept M$ Office intact.  :sarcasm:  (<-- was that even needed?)


We have several PC stills running Office 97 (as in 1997) here at work and it kept them too.. It disabled a couple of programs that were less than a year old though. Of course those were NOT Microsoft products. ;D
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Slappy on January 05, 2017, 10:34:55 AM
Check out the Intel NUC systems. Saw one at a LAN a few months back & I'd never heard of them before. Blow your friggin' mind how much fits into a PC that can fit in your pocket, in some cases.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on January 05, 2017, 10:41:07 AM
Those fanless systems worry me. I have a little Zotac Media Center PC I bought a few years ago and you can cook supper on that thing. And yes it has been as unstable as a New Orleans prostitute on meth since day one.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on January 05, 2017, 11:06:25 AM
Now here is the CPU for you Farabomb.

Intel Core i7-4960X Ivy Bridge-E 6-Core 3.6GHz (Turbo 4GHz) LGA 2011 130W BX80633i74960X Desktop Processor (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116938)

Now don't let that price tag of $2,809.99 scare you. Shipping is only $3.99 so that makes it a win!
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on January 06, 2017, 10:19:37 AM
You can save some cash by buying refurbished/used CPU's. Assuming they have all been tested and work.

Intel Refurbished i3, i5, and i7 CPU. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007671%2050001157%204016%20600005573%20600005579%20600005584)

Used i7 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Core-i7-870-CPU-LGA-1156-8MB-Cache-Upgrade-PC-or-iMac-from-i3-i5-to-an-i7-/182369721565?hash=item2a76151cdd:g:z-oAAOSwj85YPHPE)
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on January 06, 2017, 11:59:25 AM
Curiouos how a CPU is "refurbished". I assume they are pulled from returns or defective boxes newegg gets. Hell, if they stand behind them that might be an option. I have a little reservation about getting an unlocked chip though. Likely it's been overclocked and didn't go as high as expected. I used to check the trays at computer shows to get the correct stepping that would likely yield the best clocks. Yeah, I had time for that back in the day...

Too bad they don't have any LGA775 chips kicking around in the warehouse.  :'(
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on January 06, 2017, 01:14:05 PM
I would assume they take and throw them in a motherboard and if it boots they call it refurbished.

Also check out the newegg outlet store (http://www.newegg.com/OutLet/PromotionStore/ID-80?nm_mc=KNC-GoogleKWLess&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleKWLess-_-Branding-_-Main-_-Outlet&gclid=Cj0KEQiAnb3DBRCX2ZnSnMyO9dIBEiQAOcXYH0CVw7372n8vVXp3_-w4ZuJgEdtwxOyhiDALL7heEtoaAszB8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds) website. They have some refurbished Dells with an i7 cpu. One I saw for $319 (4 GB ram) another for $402 (16 gb ram). Decent video card added might be an OK PC.

Sidenote: It appears you can still upgrade older Win 7 and 8 pc's to Win 10 for free if anyone has any interest in that.

Here's how you can still get a free Windows 10 upgrade (http://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-you-can-still-get-a-free-windows-10-upgrade/?loc=newsletter_large_thumb_related&ftag=TREc64629f&bhid=20703142171098067451473055926429)
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on January 06, 2017, 03:13:07 PM
I agree about the chips. They slap it in a test rig and see if it posts. Yeah they are older cores but does it really matter? Getting a cheap Dell and taking the parts isn't a horrible idea either.

I'd love to get a valid windows 10 serial but alas, the last real key I have is a vista one.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: born2print on January 06, 2017, 03:28:47 PM
Quote from: Joe link=msg=287172 date=1483726445

I would assume they take and throw them in a motherboard and if it boots they call it refurbished.

That's how our IT guy rolls. I had an external superdrive that started burning discs that failed verify and were bad. Mate and I did testing with other drives same mac and same drive different macs. 2 days later we decided it was confirmed bad for sure.
We explained to IT guy in detail.
IT guy writes 1 good CD with it and puts it on his shelf to give to the next drive requester.
Asshole.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on May 31, 2017, 08:34:20 AM
Hey if you haven't built your PC yet it is your lucky day...providing you have money to burn:

Intel reveals its most powerful PC chip yet: The 18-core, teraflop-speed Core i9 (http://www.techrepublic.com/article/intel-reveals-its-biggest-desktop-chip-yet-the-18-core-teraflop-speed-i9/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=20703142171098067451473055926429)

The $1,999 Core i9 Extreme Edition processor, the i9-7980XE
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on May 31, 2017, 09:52:28 AM
There's always this $9k "laptop."

http://gizmodo.com/nine-days-with-an-absurd-9-000-gaming-laptop-1794290421
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on May 31, 2017, 09:54:15 AM
Oh, I wonder what salesman will insist he needs a computer with that chip in it so that his emails can be sent faster than his competitors.

I also wonder what dumb owner will fall for that bullshit.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on May 31, 2017, 10:08:45 AM
Or receptionist that plays solitaire all day!
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on May 31, 2017, 10:24:59 AM
Incorrect.

She posts on FB as well for most of the day. Then blames you for the job being screwed up because she didn't put the correct information on the job bag.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: DigiCorn on May 31, 2017, 11:09:51 AM
Just recently, I went to Fry's and got 2 copies of W10 Pro for $99 each and put one onto a circa 2007 model Vista laptop and and circa 2008 pieced-together-from-old-parts desktop. Both machines run better than they did when they were new. The laptop is an Intel Centrino, I think, and the Desktop is an AMDx2.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on May 31, 2017, 11:41:47 AM
I'm still afraid of Win10 but it's mainly because of one of my tinfoil hat wearing, basement dweller friends.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: delooch on May 31, 2017, 11:48:14 AM
been running windows 10 on the home PC for about 6 months now. if you are able to embrace the changes, it runs very smooth on my i7. finding settings in the control panel is challenging. not sure what all the fuss is about. all the MS os's suck in one way or another.  besides, i like the xbox one integration. i can stream games to the PC, which is nice because the xbox lives in the kids room.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: DigiCorn on May 31, 2017, 12:09:25 PM
I was wondering how that worked. It was included in a recent update. Will it work with any XBox, or only XBox One? I have 2 XBox 360s, and they are both in different rooms from my bar computer, which runs W10 and has my XArcade Tankstick and 2 XBox 360 wired controllers connected to it (currently running Project 64 to play GoldenEye and Mario 64).

I have 2 monitors, and I stream a lot of YouTube music videos when I'm out there drinking.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: delooch on May 31, 2017, 12:24:58 PM
The streaming only works with win10 & xbox one. but its streaming the graphics quality is questionable.  But my PC monitor is only 20", so its noticable, but not that bad.  Its not perfect, but it works pretty good.

win10 is also supposed to get some new kind of "boot mode" for gaming which doesnt load all of the BS window services in the background, freeing up some cpu power and performance..

right now on the pc its all about Asseto Corsa. I have the thrustmaster TMX full rotation wheel with feedback, the pedal setup, and im using an old flight stick as an e-brake handle. It a nice setup. Asseto Corsa isnt the prettiest racer, but its damn realistic, and lets you drift, even tandem if you are good enough..

slowly getting back into PC gaming.. especially now with my upcoming 6 month work break..
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on May 31, 2017, 01:14:24 PM
The main reason is the privacy issues in Win10. I have TONS of data from all the way back to 98 and I don't want anything to go missing because M$ thought I shouldn't have it. I may just have to buy a new computer and migrate only select things and keep the rest to my isolated XP boxes and such.

Part of the reason is I want to play Project Cars that won't run on my core duo because it's not 3g (though I've clocked it over that before, hmm maybe I'll try that tonight.) and I want to try Player Unknown's Battlegrounds.

Not that it matters much, I have so many games I haven't finished for many consoles and PC that I could not but another game and still be playing "new" games 10 years in the future.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: delooch on May 31, 2017, 01:44:21 PM
i dont think ive ever finished a game except for the Quake series.. trying to complete alien isolation still because i keep forgetting what the hell i was doing last time i played.

i play project cars on the xbone, its one of the better ones out there. that and Forza Horizon.  Waiting for Dirt4 to come out in a couple of weeks.

i was mostly console gaming, but i love tinkering with shit, so im slowly migrating my way back. Asseto Corsa is one of those games on PC that you can mod the hell out of.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: DigiCorn on May 31, 2017, 02:06:25 PM
I've pretty much had my identity stolen like four different times now, and I'm so on top of it. I stopped all the breaches and had the issues corrected, so I really don't have issues with being "out there," and whatnot. At home, I'm always on the newest updates and leaving computers on, etc. There's nothing of value there anyway. I check my credit report regularly, and because of an issue with my taxes and identity theft, all my accounts are voluntarily frozen through each of the credit bureaus. I have an above average credit score, and all my online stuff has double verification, so I have to approve logins via my cell phone before getting into online banking or emails. In the past 6 months pretty much every online account I have has had a hack attempt and they were all stopped before the intruder got access. I regularly change passwords, and that's about all you can do, other than not take part in society. I know the risks... call me stupid, but I really don't have any issues with it. W10 is the best release they've ever had, and I know there's better ways to use it than what I do with it. The bar computer is totally a media station.

Most of the console games I play are sports games, but I dig any adventure type like Mario, Conker, Banjo, etc. On the bar computer, it's mostly 80s arcade classics and Duke Nuke'Em.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Tracy on May 31, 2017, 02:09:06 PM
We recently got Lifelock, I feel a bit safer with it.
They even notified me of someone hacking my Linked in Password.

I'm one of those paranoid of the internet people, I still write checks.
with the Lifelock I do feel a bit safer tho.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on May 31, 2017, 02:11:00 PM
Quote from: Farabomb date=1496250864 link=msg=291340

The main reason is the privacy issues in Win10. I have TONS of data from all the way back to 98 and I don't want anything to go missing because M$ thought I shouldn't have it. I may just have to buy a new computer and migrate only select things and keep the rest to my isolated XP boxes and such.

Part of the reason is I want to play Project Cars that won't run on my core duo because it's not 3g (though I've clocked it over that before, hmm maybe I'll try that tonight.) and I want to try Player Unknown's Battlegrounds.

Not that it matters much, I have so many games I haven't finished for many consoles and PC that I could not but another game and still be playing "new" games 10 years in the future.


If you're worried about privacy you should unplug every device in your house. :rotf:

As far as MS removing things....it does not remove your data. Just applications that it deems are not compatible. Of course always backup everything before you install a new OS on any device because bad things can happen at any time with any OS.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: DigiCorn on May 31, 2017, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: Tracy date=1496254146 link=msg=291346

We recently got Lifelock, I feel a bit safer with it.
They even notified me of someone hacking my Linked in Password.

I'm one of those paranoid of the internet people, I still write checks.
with the Lifelock I do feel a bit safer tho.

WTF is a check?
Quote from: Joe link=msg=291347 date=1496254260

Quote from: Farabomb date=1496250864 link=msg=291340

The main reason is the privacy issues in Win10. I have TONS of data from all the way back to 98 and I don't want anything to go missing because M$ thought I shouldn't have it. I may just have to buy a new computer and migrate only select things and keep the rest to my isolated XP boxes and such.

Part of the reason is I want to play Project Cars that won't run on my core duo because it's not 3g (though I've clocked it over that before, hmm maybe I'll try that tonight.) and I want to try Player Unknown's Battlegrounds.

Not that it matters much, I have so many games I haven't finished for many consoles and PC that I could not but another game and still be playing "new" games 10 years in the future.


If you're worried about privacy you should unplug every device in your house. :rotf:

As far as MS removing things....it does not remove your data. Just applications that it deems are not compatible. Of course always backup everything before you install a new OS on any device because bad things can happen at any time with any OS.

MS 8 to 10 upgrade removed all my Adobe CS 5.5 products
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on May 31, 2017, 02:36:25 PM
Quote from: DigiCorn date=1496255485 link=msg=291351

Quote from: Tracy date=1496254146 link=msg=291346

We recently got Lifelock, I feel a bit safer with it.
They even notified me of someone hacking my Linked in Password.

I'm one of those paranoid of the internet people, I still write checks.
with the Lifelock I do feel a bit safer tho.

WTF is a check?
Quote from: Joe date=1496254260 link=msg=291347

Quote from: Farabomb date=1496250864 link=msg=291340

The main reason is the privacy issues in Win10. I have TONS of data from all the way back to 98 and I don't want anything to go missing because M$ thought I shouldn't have it. I may just have to buy a new computer and migrate only select things and keep the rest to my isolated XP boxes and such.

Part of the reason is I want to play Project Cars that won't run on my core duo because it's not 3g (though I've clocked it over that before, hmm maybe I'll try that tonight.) and I want to try Player Unknown's Battlegrounds.

Not that it matters much, I have so many games I haven't finished for many consoles and PC that I could not but another game and still be playing "new" games 10 years in the future.


If you're worried about privacy you should unplug every device in your house. :rotf:

As far as MS removing things....it does not remove your data. Just applications that it deems are not compatible. Of course always backup everything before you install a new OS on any device because bad things can happen at any time with any OS.

MS 8 to 10 upgrade removed all my Adobe CS 5.5 products


Yes...applications it deemed not compatible.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on May 31, 2017, 03:34:56 PM
I'm not worried all that much about identity theft. I try and be as secure as I can be. I know I've been listening too much to my overly paranoid friend and I really shouldn't. The fact the NSA and M$ were in bed with each other and didn't attempt to keep it a secret bothers me for some reason though.

Yes I have tape over all my webcams. One of the people I used to work with actually got busted for "hacking" people's cams (more of a script kiddie, he really didn't have the knowledge to really hack a system) so I'm a little bothered by that. I do have to upgrade my computer soon though. It works fine and will be migrated upstairs to watch TV on since I've had 3 laptops die in the last 6 months. I just need to avoid my normal modus operandi of buying a step down from the bleeding edge, screwing around with it heavily for a month or 2 then leaving it alone.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: pspdfppdfxhd on June 01, 2017, 10:56:22 AM
just testing image hosting

http://imgur.com/3FjlAQn
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: pspdfppdfxhd on June 01, 2017, 11:01:11 AM
lets try this one.


(http://i.imgur.com/3FjlAQn.jpg)
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: pspdfppdfxhd on June 01, 2017, 11:05:49 AM
ok, found it. Nevermind.


Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: pspdfppdfxhd on June 01, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
Sorry to highjack this thread, haven't had time to figure this out (embedding pictures in the post). Last one, I promise.


(http://i.imgur.com/29FBYds.jpg)
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on June 01, 2017, 12:23:07 PM
I certainly don't mind. Have at it man.

I'm here beating my head against WordPress.

Also trying to figure out what version of Office 365 is best. I really don't like the subscription BS. I just need outlook and office apps. Why do I need to pay for it monthly?
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on June 01, 2017, 12:46:50 PM
Quote from: Farabomb date=1496334187 link=msg=291382

I certainly don't mind. Have at it man.

I'm here beating my head against WordPress.

Also trying to figure out what version of Office 365 is best. I really don't like the subscription BS. I just need outlook and office apps. Why do I need to pay for it monthly?


Just get the normal Microsoft Office 2016 Home and Business (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832589132&cm_re=Microsoft_Office-_-32-589-132-_-Product). $209.99 and no subscription.
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on June 01, 2017, 12:48:32 PM
Or use Libre Office for free!
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Farabomb on June 01, 2017, 01:35:18 PM
I have libre already on the boss's and my mac but it never seems to open documents correctly. The boss openly hates it but then again, he openly hates computers so I don't think getting office is going to help. I mainly want to export his 365 mailbox that's maintained by someone else so he has his 10000000000s of emails he keeps for no reason.

I did see the office in a box option. I may go that way but I assume it's $210 a seat?
Title: Re: My fellow geeks, I need PC building advice
Post by: Joe on June 01, 2017, 01:56:49 PM
Quote from: Farabomb date=1496338518 link=msg=291392

I have libre already on the boss's and my mac but it never seems to open documents correctly. The boss openly hates it but then again, he openly hates computers so I don't think getting office is going to help. I mainly want to export his 365 mailbox that's maintained by someone else so he has his 10000000000s of emails he keeps for no reason.

I did see the office in a box option. I may go that way but I assume it's $210 a seat?


I actually have bought 3 copies recently here at work for $199.99 each but now they are $209.99 each.