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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 01:11:01 PM »
Yes, Quark is stuck in postscript world. Until they escape, transparency is going to be a problem.
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 01:12:35 PM »

It was a supplied PDF. I always export to PDF from Quack 6.5 and have never had any issues doing so. In fact I haven't even launched distiller in over a year now. IF the presets are set correctly you get the same results or at least I do YMMV tho. I think it's more a problem with the way Quark flattens it's transparency than anything else. You'd think by now they would have export to PDF version 1.5 at least, to support unflattened PDF's.

Be very careful almaink. I used to do the same thing when I noticed some graphics were coming out lores compared to the raw files, not all the graphics in the file just a couple here and there. And it seemed random. I did some test and came to the conclusion that distilling covered my ass. And in some cases these graphics were slightly out of whack, hard to pick up on if I didn't take a closer look.

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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2008, 01:14:50 PM »
Very true Jim. I am having issues right now with transparencies in Quark. Customer supplied PDF built in Quark 6.5. Transparencies work on some pages, others do not. No consistency whatsoever, makes it kind of hard to troubleshoot. Funny, though - I asked theis stump for the native file, she gives it to me, and nothing else... no support whatsoever. Ahhhhh Designers, it must be nice to breeze through life getting people to pick up your dogshit.

My only advice, and I know your saying it is the same, but i'm telling you, print to ps from Quark, it is much more reliable. It will not fix problems with bad PDFs, but it will help with native files.
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2008, 01:21:14 PM »
Before I noticed there was a problem exporting to pdf I'm almost positive that jobs got printed wrong and no one noticed or at least we didn't.

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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2008, 01:23:38 PM »

Yeah, I know it isn't you Joe. The first comment was for you, and thanks again.

Okay, if it is a supplied PDF from Quark, it is on their end. The reason it ain't workin' is they are using a lower version of Quark than 7.31. Can you get them to resend after they have upgraded? Or, get you a native file?


Oh, sorry about that...

But I have to ask...How do you know they aren't using 7.31 and why do you think it would work if they did have 7.31? It's a transparency flattening issue that Quark refuses to address or even comment on it. Whether you export as PDF or print to PS and distill Quark still goes through postscript which means it has to flatten the transparency and Quark is not handling the transparency correctly when doing this. It's just not a good situation when Quark cannot output their own features (soft drop shadows).
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2008, 01:24:45 PM »
Exactly the reason Quark has lost to InDesign. I hated InDesign, I am sure glad Adobe got that working right. Remember version 1 and 1.5 - God what a nightmare.


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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2008, 01:27:51 PM »
"Be very careful almaink." Thanks for that warning, however I'm anal when it comes to PDF's, and check each one out very carefully after they are made in Acrobat using Pit Stop. I've yet to see any issues like you describe. Only issues I've seen are with color spaces but even when that happens, and it rarely does anymore now that i know what presets to use for each job, it's a simple matter t go back and re-export using a different mode. My whole workflow now is complete PDF and postscript was left for those still using level 2 rips IMO. BTW I also had her create a ps file and distill that problem job and got the same results so thats not the answer unfortunately. My guess not having seen the file is the stacking order in Quack.
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2008, 01:29:03 PM »

Exactly the reason Quark has lost to InDesign. I hated InDesign, I am sure glad Adobe got that working right. Remember version 1 and 1.5 - God what a nightmare.





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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2008, 01:31:04 PM »
Quarks solution:
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2008, 01:33:16 PM »
Well Joe, I know what version because I asked, and further, I have read up a lot on the subjest and tested. I do every Quark job that comes in here, and drop shadows or no it works the way I do it. Like I said it could be settings, who knows at this point. Quark may not address the issue, but ohters do sporatically on the net. I found out enough to sway away from exporting, and apparently it was correct. Quark may have a flattening issue, but I can only talk about what I see... Quark works now since 7.3 and I have had no problems. Other may, I don't.
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2008, 01:36:44 PM »
DCS, I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about the PDF that almaink posted this thread about. I never saw anywhere that he stated it was created with 7.31. Maybe I missed that part. Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2008, 01:40:39 PM »
I am so confused I am starting to think I am hearing voices again. Joe, your'e the shit dude, don't even sweat it. If we are talking about different issues, cool, if we ain't - cool. The post is about Quark 7 PDFs so I am blanketing my answers as general advice and getting to the bottom of the problem. You know this is my first forum, can't you tell... ME <-----   Newbie to Forums.
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2008, 01:49:42 PM »

I am so confused I am starting to think I am hearing voices again. Joe, your'e the shit dude, don't even sweat it. If we are talking about different issues, cool, if we ain't - cool. The post is about Quark 7 PDFs so I am blanketing my answers as general advice and getting to the bottom of the problem. You know this is my first forum, can't you tell... ME <-----   Newbie to Forums.


Again?  :laugh:  The most confusing part for me was when you said Quark 7.31 would fix the issue. Quark never fixes their issues. :evil:

On the print & distill vs export issues...I've seen both work. I've seen both give bad results. When one doesn't give me the desired results I try the other. Sometimes it fixes it. Sometimes it doesn't. If it doesn't then I try something else. That's our job. That's why we make the big bucks (hahaha). :grin:
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2008, 01:55:45 PM »
In the context of this discussion, which I read with sweat breaking out on my brow...what a friggin' nightmare this "high end" layout app seems to have become. [some will question the "become", I guess].

I'll try and put a small smile on your faces, even momentarily. Our in-house people went for QLA, [2 seats] for Quack. I posted late last year on this, because I was in a dilemma when I realised what a potential croc QLA was. [We've got 2 seats our end]. With some hassling and inconvenience, I wrangled out of QLA, and reverted it to 2 sep seats. Just got fully up and running 2 weeks ago.

Called one of the guys you can actually talk to at the other end, with a view to him supplying me a job in 7, rather than Project/save-down. "Oh, we can't use 7 at the moment, our [QLA] server's stopped working. Apparently it was never set up properly..."
Me: :So-o-o...what's gonna happen"
Him: "Oh, we'll let you know...prolly about a year..." [his joke~he does have a sense of humour].

So, 2 pieces of Quack crap meet in head-on collision and resolve a problem.

Oh, BTW, they had to get a retailer tech to come in and set up QLA. Paid $$ for it. Looks like he did a real good job.   :evil:
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Re: Quark 7 PDF's
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2008, 02:04:26 PM »
Again only speaking from my experiences, Quark 7.3 resolved my problems with it. If you own Quark and you have access to the updater, try it. It may or may not work for you, it did work for me. I might not should have said it would fix the problem, I should reclarify that it "might" fix you're problem, but if it is a free download what do you have to lose.

I do all the same crap Joe. It is never consistent, it never does the same thing twice, and there are about 50 solutions to every problem. That's why we have this forum, to share experiences and try, and I use the term loosly, "try" to help the other guy out. If I can save some poor schmuck 1 minute of his/her time by a suggestion, then I have helped. I suppose I need to read what I type before posting it. Thought Police anyone?
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