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Estimation software
« on: November 07, 2011, 12:48:00 PM »
When we started this place my brother had me install some estimation software that was of questionable origin. I had to do all sorts of voodoo to get it to work but somehow I did. I warned him that we really should look into real software. Five years later his laptop is now as stable as a hooker on methadone and he begrudgingly agreed we need something better.

Does anyone here have first hand experience with any estimation software? The parasite that was here loved printsmith but it seems pretty costly and overly complex. We need something simple and user friendly that doesn't cost a mint. I've been looking at Printer's Plan and it has a trial download but I'd like as many options and opinions as possible.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2011, 12:56:03 PM »
I don't do estimating anymore so am out of the loop. I used Printsmith but that was years ago.

My company uses PrintPoint. I guess it works.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2011, 12:57:49 PM »
I've got a FileMaker Pro 5 (or it might be 6) database that we use that I created. I'm sure it doesn't meet any developer guidelines on how things should be but it works for us.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2011, 01:01:58 PM »
We have printer's plan here  :hello:
It's fine. The developers are slow to come out with a book for their newest software. What's online doesn't cover everything we have found from Real Life©.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2011, 01:06:39 PM »
any estimating software is voodoo on the setup. Roll your own for cost of time and testing, or buy something for insane money - either way you'll have to input a ton of variables to get a price that makes sense for your shop.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2011, 01:28:47 PM »
The first shop I worked in (circa 1998) used an advanced system of price lists and calculators. :laugh:

I remember the CSRs figuring out estimates by adding up each process, right down to shrink wrapping and camera ready laser prints from the service bureau.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2011, 01:31:37 PM »
Printer's plan requires a ton of variables from what I understand of it. (and that's not much!)
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2011, 01:40:32 PM »
I'm aware that there is some heavy data input in the beginning in order for it to make sense. Databases are totally foreign to me so I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to set one up.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2011, 01:52:35 PM »
fwiw we use Monarch.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2011, 02:15:56 PM »

I'm aware that there is some heavy data input in the beginning in order for it to make sense. Databases are totally foreign to me so I wouldn't have the slightest idea how to set one up.


You could do it in Excel too but databases are a bit more flexible.
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2011, 02:23:48 PM »
I can open Excel, that's about my limit of expertise.
Speed doesn't kill, rapidly becoming stationary is the problem

I'd rather have stories told than be telling stories of what I could have done.

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It's more like grip, grip, grip, noise, then spin and 2 feet in and feel shame.
I once knew a plus-sized girl and this pretty much describes teh secks. :rotf:
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2011, 08:45:28 AM »


I was told that one of the drums, usually yellow, prints a very faint code ID'ing the machine on every printed piece.

I remembering hearing that years ago. Wonder if it's true?


this is true-it prints a faint dot pattern in process yellow, the pattern supposedly holds the machines serial # and some other identifying marks..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/118664/government_uses_color_laser_printer_technology_to_track_documents.html
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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 03:34:57 PM »
I've seen that before as well. Apparently it's an anti-forgery thing.

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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 07:47:20 PM »
we have printers plan
I think printsmith is better tho.

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Re: Estimation software
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 08:57:24 PM »

I can open Excel, that's about my limit of expertise.

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