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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 04:24:26 PM »
When I assemble a proof, I fold it down the same way it would in bindery. If I don't fold it down right, I fix it before I plate it. Pressman rules it up after a few pulls and up to color. If he sees something he doesn't like, we get together and discuss. Usually this occurs before plating and on press. I try to follow a rule I learned a long time ago: "can't waste press time."
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 04:28:20 PM »

Skryber -- I'm on the same page as you were.

1) Our lease is up in 31 months.

2) The landlord is my boss' ex-partner, whom he fired 8 years ago.  NO WAY we're going to be allowed to stay here.  It's all about territory, not practicality.

3) The lead pressman is the 'Golden Boy'.  Ironically, he has so much faith in this outfit, that he now works three day shifts at nearby Walmart Distribution. He does whatever he wants -- whenever he wants.  Doesn't matter who's feelings he hurts or who's toes he steps on.
This is the person that the boss was going to fire last spring because of his attitude and mouth, but lacked the balls to do it.

4) My boss will be 60 when the lease is up.

5) Haven't had a raise in over 5 years, our fringe has been cut significantly, no other printing opportunities around here, my wife has a good teaching job, and my house is paid for.

6) Ear -- I like the way you think, but it would be a struggle for this minion with OCD  to stand back and let it happen .....   :grin:




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Must be the same pressman. I suggest taking home what's yours and "borrowing" tools that may be useful.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 04:33:29 PM »
What they don't realize is that they are one machine away from being nothing...
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 05:11:51 PM »

When I assemble a proof, I fold it down the same way it would in bindery. If I don't fold it down right, I fix it before I plate it. Pressman rules it up after a few pulls and up to color. If he sees something he doesn't like, we get together and discuss. Usually this occurs before plating and on press. I try to follow a rule I learned a long time ago: "can't waste press time."


how quaint. Nowhere near as exciting as the rule I learned "just fucking do something right NAO and we'll blame and berate you later when it is all fucked up"
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2012, 06:43:09 PM »
I make 1 proof - it is pretty much for color break only (pressmen run to "pleasing color" and also to ensure our company logos look good), and I fold it down and trim it. Actually, I cheat on jobs that don't stitch - I run single page proofs and back them up and fold/trim them. I know it sounds a little dangerous, but I always check the layout digitally using Apogee's light table feature - makes it easy to check trims, bleeds, and to ensure backups are correct. Also, much of our work are exact reprints. If a job stitches, though, I'll run a proof of the entire press sheet and then fold it down. Since I am a 1-man prepress department, I am quite confident in my decisions of when to make an imposed proof versus page proofs and I don't have to worry about someone else mucking up the system.

The pressmen do not rule up sheets to check anything. That has been a point of contention, but they are not required to do so by management so they don't! Most of them have never worked in a commercial shop and this is the only shop they've ever worked in, so they tend to have bad habits from living in a "bubble."

Because we are an inhouse printer, we don't get proofs approved by the "customer" (other departments within the corporation). They are approved by the CSR.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2012, 07:58:12 PM »
We work off approved Black Magic press proofs here. Occasionally they're approved from (pre-rendered) imposed proofs from XMF. 70% of our work is in-house. Fold-ups are rare. I try and keep an eye on imposition be checking every forme against the supplied impo sheet, by folio. Also try to make use of the 3D proofing facility in XMF, to check for page flow. This does not show missing bleeds, but can show dodgy crossovers, and other stuff you might not see on the imposed.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2012, 09:03:29 PM »
Our pressman needs to be furnished with a threat to his job. Farking arsehole.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2012, 09:32:01 PM »
We print out a small thumbnail proof on 11x17, fold it down, and make matchprints for color jobs.
The reason we do thumbnail proofs is because we have to do the proofs fast.
If we take our time to make sure everything done absolutely right, we get blamed for holding things up.

Bottom line, if we rush or take our time, it's always prepress fault.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2012, 09:44:20 PM »

Our pressman needs to be furnished with a threat to his job. Farking arsehole.


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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2012, 07:53:42 AM »
For each job we output 2 - duplicate, fully imposed colour accurate proofs. As it is folding carton work, we cut out 1 position of one of the proofs and send it to the client for approval. Once approved the other fully imposed proof is sent to the press for the run. That way client & press monkey are looking at identical proofs.
BTW - no problem with press crews surfing or smoking here. Smoking is only allowed outside with specific break times allotted and, after being caught surfing porn, all workstations on the production floor had internet access cut off. Most press crews are still made up, however, of prima donna a**holes. Only production supervisors have somewhat restricted access to internet now.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2012, 11:40:22 AM »
My boss hated smoking. When he left we would smoke in the shop but you didn't want him catching you at all. I wish he'd bitch that much to his smoker wife as he did to us.

We had a huge problem with night workers surfing pron on the shipping computer. I can't tell you how many times I had to clean viruses off it. I mean those fuckers would do nothing all night but sit on the computer and get paid. I finally put a password on it. Then we had a problem with people clocking in and leaving to go to the boat to gamble with money they got from selling our old plates. When we needed the money, we'd recycle skids of plates and earn a decent coin. It was a backfall. One day they weren't there. Pressman made about $5,000. Bosssman confronted him about it and he admitted to stealing and nothing happened to him. He continued to clock in and leave.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2012, 12:11:41 PM »
I can't believe how much the smoking laws have changed up here. As a former smoker, we used to be able to smoke everywhere in the offices, but not on the production floor.  Now it's banned everywhere. The provincial gov't has banned it just about everywhere inside where the public are and just banned it in automobiles where children are present as well.

Our pressmen aren't that blatantly corrupt. They have kind of a pseudo-union going on and regard anyone outside the dep't with distrust. They are typical of any pressroom and blame everything on prepress. They would, however, get fired for stealing plates to make gambling money or for leaving without notice.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2012, 12:39:06 PM »
The no smoking was also an insurance thing because we caught fire twice before the big one. We weren't supposed to smoke on the property period. We we're supposed to go across the street.
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2012, 01:04:32 PM »
Smoking? Around here, and in Cali, there is a smoking ban in all buildings, including bars and work vehicles and smoking is prohibited within 10 feet of any door of any business. Also no smoking on the campus property of any public school or hospital, even outside. I think people are still allowed to smoke in their own house tho.  :rolleyes:
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Re: What do you furnish your pressman ??
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2012, 01:06:10 PM »
people from Illinois go to Indiana to smoke.
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