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That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« on: July 16, 2017, 11:44:38 AM »
So I got the heads up that the kid management hired nearly three years ago has turned in his resignation. No surprise since he has been banging heads with boss.

So it's that time to find some dumb college kid who is or just graduated from college in graphic design. Like before, management is going to advertise for a "prepress person" in which then people show up asking for more $$$ than what they want to pay. So then they change the ad to hire a "graphic designer" knowing that so local college kid will take the bait, once in the door, they throw them in front of the digital press. When the college kid says "Hey, this isn't graphic designing?!" Management replies, "Yes it is! And don't question us because we're professionals and we know this is graphic designing."

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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2017, 09:20:46 AM »
So the new kid either sinks or swims and during his/her learning curve everything goes to shit or at best takes a lot longer.  If they survive they are doing a prepress job for very little money which is how the boss wants it to turn out, and BTW if they can do the same job you are doing why am I paying you so much ?
If they don't survive the boss will try the same dodge again rinse / repeat.
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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2017, 11:15:41 AM »
Also, the college kids think graphic design is creating great masterpieces of their own choosing. They don't realize much of real world jobs entail grunt work and designing things that satisfy the customer's questionable taste.
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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2017, 11:52:26 AM »
make my logo bigger...  that's what they need to teach in Design Skool

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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2017, 01:19:57 PM »
Quote from: david link=msg=292663 date=1500306746

make my logo bigger...  that's what they need to teach in Design Skool

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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 01:49:06 PM »
I don't know about you but my customers designs are amazing. They're even won awards. Like the Ray Charles Foundation best design by a blind person. The Font Conservatory's use every font in your entire library award and Pantone's design a piece with 200+ spot colors but don't inform the salesman what one they want in a 5c job award.
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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 02:10:50 PM »
 8) Ray Charles Foundation :laugh:

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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2017, 08:40:21 AM »
Well the new kid could make the brochure “more branded”:
http://www.27bslash6.com/brochure.html

Or perhaps they could knock up a missing cat poster:
http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html

Maybe some business cards?
http://www.27bslash6.com/bob.html

How about some logo design and or charts:
http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p2.html


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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2017, 08:41:22 AM »
That guy is pretty funny while still having the dickhead designer vibe.
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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2017, 07:24:33 PM »
Syphon, that is a profound post. It's a tragic sign of the times. 

The owner of my company doesn't know the difference between graphic design and prepress. 

Big fat fucking NO! Prepress is NOT graphic design. I'm a half-ass designer but I pwn prepress. I know exactly ZERO designers who can get a PDF to a platesetter and to an offset press. Prepress is more IT and practical engineering than creative/artistic. It is taking the art and engineering it to reproduce properly on the big fast rubber stamp. I have had better luck teaching IT and design to machine operators, because without understanding of the machines, you will have a shitty time of prepress.

Inexpensive, cloud-based design software will be the death of printing, not the intertubez. Because now, everyone with $30 a month for a Photoshop subscription is an expert/professional. And management believes them. Stick a "designer" in prepress and it will be the death of your printshop.
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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2017, 10:03:11 AM »
Quote from: Ear date=1500506673 link=msg=292731

Stick a "designer" in prepress and it will be the death of your printshop.


you won't get too much "prepress" out of them that's for sure. They spend their time surfing the net looking for the next hot trend in "social" networking to work into their next masterpiece.


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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2017, 01:58:36 PM »
Quote from: Ear date=1500506673 link=msg=292731

Syphon, that is a profound post. It's a tragic sign of the times.

The owner of my company doesn't know the difference between graphic design and prepress.

Big fat fucking NO! Prepress is NOT graphic design. I'm a half-ass designer but I pwn prepress. I know exactly ZERO designers who can get a PDF to a platesetter and to an offset press. Prepress is more IT and practical engineering than creative/artistic. It is taking the art and engineering it to reproduce properly on the big fast rubber stamp. I have had better luck teaching IT and design to machine operators, because without understanding of the machines, you will have a shitty time of prepress.

Inexpensive, cloud-based design software will be the death of printing, not the intertubez. Because now, everyone with $30 a month for a Photoshop subscription is an expert/professional. And management believes them. Stick a "designer" in prepress and it will be the death of your printshop.

I printed this out and hung it up beside DCS's explanation of the evolution of the CSR. Good pieces - both of them. :thumbsup:
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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2017, 05:15:47 AM »
Quote from: Ear date=1500506673 link=msg=292731

Syphon, that is a profound post. It's a tragic sign of the times.

The owner of my company doesn't know the difference between graphic design and prepress.

Big fat fucking NO! Prepress is NOT graphic design. I'm a half-ass designer but I pwn prepress. I know exactly ZERO designers who can get a PDF to a platesetter and to an offset press. Prepress is more IT and practical engineering than creative/artistic. It is taking the art and engineering it to reproduce properly on the big fast rubber stamp. I have had better luck teaching IT and design to machine operators, because without understanding of the machines, you will have a shitty time of prepress.

Inexpensive, cloud-based design software will be the death of printing, not the intertubez. Because now, everyone with $30 a month for a Photoshop subscription is an expert/professional. And management believes them. Stick a "designer" in prepress and it will be the death of your printshop.

Absolutely right. I am a designer as well as PrePress but I started out as a printer - hot metal then litho.  I know what leading means because I used actual pieces of lead to space out lines of text.  When I had trouble with impositions for 16 up folding I asked the boss to put me on the folding machine for a month.  I've done a bit of everything which is why I'm good at my job.  There is no better way to learn.
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Re: That's Not Graphic Designing?!
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2017, 09:54:02 AM »
Having an understanding of all the processes is invaluable. It helps you catch issues upstream before they become actual production issues after it's printed.

Just don't think that because you helped run something for a bit makes you a master. Our bindery guy may be dumb as hell about a whole bunch of things but he can run those machines better than anybody here.
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2017, 11:42:36 AM »
We've always said, make all the PrePress do bindery for a bit. Then they'll know how to strip (impose).
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