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Re: Indesign Black prints different then placed photoshop black
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2019, 03:13:18 PM »
Seems strange to me an app I never use is somehow affecting my colour. I did look in Bridge at the colour settings and it is set on North America General Purpose 2 which is the same as Indesign and Photoshop. These must be default as I have never touched them.

It very well could be the Versant, I have tried playing with settings there with no luck or change. My work around solution and again what I did today was make a JPEG from Indesign then bring the JPEG back in to make a PDF then send to the printer where it printed fine and no more different black box that stood out.

It is something with the Photoshop file and how the Versant is reading it which to me says there is something different in the profile colour for the photoshop file. When flattened for a JPEG all is fine.

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Re: Indesign Black prints different then placed photoshop black
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2019, 03:21:17 PM »
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Seems strange to me an app I never use is somehow affecting my colour. I did look in Bridge at the colour settings and it is set on North America General Purpose 2 which is the same as Indesign and Photoshop. These must be default as I have never touched them.

It very well could be the Versant, I have tried playing with settings there with no luck or change. My work around solution and again what I did today was make a JPEG from Indesign then bring the JPEG back in to make a PDF then send to the printer where it printed fine and no more different black box that stood out.

It is something with the Photoshop file and how the Versant is reading it which to me says there is something different in the profile colour for the photoshop file. When flattened for a JPEG all is fine.


Well to me the answer is in that statement. Once you made it an image for both it is fine but when one is vector K100% and the other is image K100% the versant is making them different while printing.
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Re: Indesign Black prints different then placed photoshop black
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2019, 03:39:08 PM »
What CWS are you running on your Fiery? There are ways to apply profiles on the Versant, which will affect color. We do click certain boxes on certain jobs (i.e. under the Image tab we sometimes click max printer density or turn off sharpness).
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Re: Indesign Black prints different then placed photoshop black
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2019, 02:30:56 PM »
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What CWS are you running on your Fiery? There are ways to apply profiles on the Versant, which will affect color. We do click certain boxes on certain jobs (i.e. under the Image tab we sometimes click max printer density or turn off sharpness).


I will have to play around in the settings in CWS and see if anything can fix this and save me from exporting as JPEG.

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Re: Indesign Black prints different then placed photoshop black
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2019, 02:59:55 PM »
I am guessing that the image wasn't really 100% black. Most grayscale images only have a 100% black in the deepest shadows, if you're lucky.
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Re: Indesign Black prints different then placed photoshop black
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2019, 03:44:34 PM »
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I am guessing that the image wasn't really 100% black. Most grayscale images only have a 100% black in the deepest shadows, if you're lucky.


The separation and ink values in both Acrobat DC and Indesign show 100% black. Also it all looks fine in both of those programs, the black shows no different then the black made in illustrator.

I can reproduce this on my own making 100% black in Photoshop, placing in photoshop beside a box made 100% black in Indesign and the print results will be the same as the problem file I had. Something with the photoshop file and the way the Versant handles black from that file.

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Re: Indesign Black prints different then placed photoshop black
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2019, 03:57:49 PM »
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The separation and ink values in both Acrobat DC and Indesign show 100% black. Also it all looks fine in both of those programs, the black shows no different then the black made in illustrator.

I can reproduce this on my own making 100% black in Photoshop, placing in photoshop beside a box made 100% black in Indesign and the print results will be the same as the problem file I had. Something with the photoshop file and the way the Versant handles black from that file.


The difference is image vs vector. The Versant probably uses a different profile for images than it does for vector data. Or somehow processes the images differently than the vector data.
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