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CRON Platesetters
« on: November 11, 2019, 10:33:09 PM »
Looking to replace an increasingly moody Screen 4300 (single feed) unit, the powers that be recently saw CRON at the Texas print show, and are looking at one of their auto-feed models. I'm unfamiliar with the brand, apparently it's well established in Asia and they've partnered with ECRM to get into the US market.

I've got some literature and of course the glowing sales pitch but really want some real-world input. I've asked at the Other Forum too, and I have an email out to a shop in TX that has one but haven't heard back just yet.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2019, 08:52:34 PM »
Contract signed, parts have started arriving. I did talk to the one existing user who's had one for about 6 month & they seem pretty satisfied. They're running UV plates, so can't compare there but the hardware sounds resilient, I'm not thrilled about having a processor again (current Screen model uses process-free plates) but the automation will be a huge help. Plus the single-feed Screen 4300 we have now is just killing us with downtime.

I'll reply back once we get to install stage and start calibration etc.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2019, 09:53:36 PM »
Never heard of it. Hope it goes well.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2019, 11:25:52 AM »
I thought the use of process-free plates was more an issue of laser power than particular platesetter model? In other words, why can't the Cron run process-free plates?
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2019, 01:36:24 PM »
It very well may be able to, the new COO possibly decided on "normal" plates to make them more easily measured, QC'd etc.

I'm not planning on being the Processor Cleaning Guy, soooooooo.  :hello:
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2019, 02:36:33 PM »
Lucky!

We're getting a new processor and crossover unit for our Javelin, both have been on the fritz for the last year or so and the processor can't keep conductivity stable anymore so we're finally getting approval to change them out.

Wish we could go process-free. We tried once, but the pressmen threw too much of a fit, that the owners decided to go backwards.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2019, 11:51:40 AM »
Keeping the processor just means the pressmen have something they can point their finger at when they have problems on press.

And just because you're not planning on being the Processor Cleaning Guy doesn't mean it won't fall to you anyway! Let us know how that works out for you.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2019, 09:12:46 PM »
Yeah, I fully expect it'll be a Shared Experience.

Let us know how that works out for you.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2020, 06:51:03 PM »
Update: Hardware is all on the floor and hooked up for the most part. Should be doing plate linearization tomorrow & have a call with Fuji setup to remote in & get the CTP onto XMF. They sounded like it might be a little more involved since the there isn't a TIFF-catcher on the unit, I guess it's got to send the TIFFs directly from XMF. Bet that's another $$$ License to add.

Hoping to get the Calibration Guy in by Tuesday/Wednesday too if we can make press time to setup curves. Got a TON of book work in right now, be a perfect test of the CRON.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2020, 12:10:53 PM »
I LOVE the self-squaring setup on that platesetter. The last Screen I used, you had to line it up perfectly, or it'd punch crooked (or possible jam on loading). It had like a ruler on it where we marked it with opaque tape so you could load it centered.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2020, 12:27:04 PM »
We were looking at the CRON machines for a bit. They looked really well made. Almost like all the parts were made on the same line as other machines (a china specialty). Pricing was about 40% cheaper than even the steal we got on a new Agfa unit.

Only reason we didn't go with them was service. At the time there was only one place near Chicago that would service it (where we were buying it from). They only had 2 techs on staff, and they were already spread thin with being a 3rd party service provider for Agfa/Kodak/Heidelberg, everything, and also being a reseller. The times previous we used them to service a platesetter they weren't the quickest, but they were competent. We went with Agfa with a service contract because being down for 2-3 days would kill us.

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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2020, 12:09:32 AM »
I LOVE the self-squaring setup on that platesetter. The last Screen I used, you had to line it up perfectly, or it'd punch crooked (or possible jam on loading). It had like a ruler on it where we marked it with opaque tape so you could load it centered.
Heh, we used Sharpie™ on ours!  :rotf:

Got some plates out this afternoon, they're supposed to get 'em on press 1st thing tomorrow before the craziness starts. I sent a few sigs of a job we already ran last week, no sample left for the pressman so he should just run to the numbers and we'll see how close we get.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2020, 12:13:38 AM »
We were looking at the CRON machines for a bit. They looked really well made. Almost like all the parts were made on the same line as other machines (a china specialty). Pricing was about 40% cheaper than even the steal we got on a new Agfa unit.

Only reason we didn't go with them was service. At the time there was only one place near Chicago that would service it (where we were buying it from). They only had 2 techs on staff, and they were already spread thin with being a 3rd party service provider for Agfa/Kodak/Heidelberg, everything, and also being a reseller. The times previous we used them to service a platesetter they weren't the quickest, but they were competent. We went with Agfa with a service contract because being down for 2-3 days would kill us.
It appears they've ramped up the Support staff and are growing. We had 3 guys onsite for the install, at least one of them local. I think the 3rd guy is in training, fairly young and the CRON Tech said he was learning fast so I'm optimistic. Time will tell though.
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2020, 10:22:00 PM »
Well, the Honeymoon sure didn't last long.  :shoots_self:
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Re: CRON Platesetters
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2020, 10:34:22 PM »
 :lmao:

Some things never change.

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